Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@Frank Apisa,

Newtown hardly qualifies as 'the vast majority', try not to ignore that fact.

Common sense dictates relaxing restrictions in the cities would reduce criminal gun violence.

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@Frank Apisa,

I did take a moment to do some looking. Here is one report that goes to the issue:

Title: Gun Violence: Rural, Urban Children Die By Gunshot At Equal Rates, Says Northwestern Study

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/24/gun-violence-rural-urban_n_586722.html

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@H2O MAN,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5242188)

Newtown hardly qualifies as 'the vast majority', try not to ignore that fact.

Common sense dictates relaxing restrictions in the cities would reduce criminal gun violence.

Actually, H2O...COMMON SENSE would dictate that more guns would result in more shootings.

That is what I have been trying to say.

If MORE GUNS lead to fewer shootings...why is America not the safest place to be with regard to gun violence...since we have more guns in more hands than any other place on Earth???

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@Frank Apisa,

None of your argument takes into account that the big
cities have draconian restrictions to gun ownership.
One heavily biased report does not equate to a consensus.

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@Frank Apisa,

Negative.

Common sense dictates More Guns equals Less Crime.

Leveling the playing field and giving the mostly black big cities the
same gun laws as the rest of the country would reduce gun violence.
The current gun laws in big cities are racists and unconstitutional.

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@H2O MAN,

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None of your argument takes into account that the big
cities have draconian restrictions to gun ownership.
One heavily biased report does not equate to a consensus.

But the subirbs dont , same thing with adjoining states. Thats why gun control's gotte be more universal for dangerous weapons

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

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None of your argument takes into account that the big
cities have draconian restrictions to gun ownership.
One heavily biased report does not equate to a consensus.
But the subirbs dont , same thing with adjoining states. Thats why gun control's gotte be more universal for dangerous weapons

The human is the 'dangerous weapon'.

Universal relaxation of the current gun laws is the better plan.
Make it fair for everyone, not just the white folk in the burbs.

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Blimey!! I have explained once that trying to persuade these gun fans to adopt less death oriented thought processes is a fruitless as trying to persuade the self-improving ladies of fashion and ambition to adopt strict Islamic dress codes and ways of going about things.

One might as well head-butt the Great Wall of China. Which is alright if you like that sort of thing. It does enable head-butting expertise to be displayed.

That's about the size of it eh H2O?

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@H2O MAN,

I didn't realize the FBI report has to be considered "biased" because it shows your assertion to be incorrect.

The fact is that if lots of legal guns leads to fewer shootings and less violence...we would not be one of the most violent societies on the planet with more shootings than any other industrialized nation.

What is there about that you cannot understand, H2O?

You hold all the cards. Nobody is going to take your guns away...we all know that. No meaningful legislation will ever be passed...and get through SCOTUS. And no legislation will ever stop us from being as violent as we are.

So since EVERYTHING is stacked in your favor...why on Earth would you be trying to make an argument that is demonstrably false?

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@H2O MAN,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5242199)
Negative.

Common sense dictates More Guns equals Less Crime.

If that is so...and if we have more guns than anyone else on the planet...why do we have MORE crime and MORE violence?

Why?

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@H2O MAN,

your combined lobby of child killers needs to hve its teeth pulled a bit. Dangerous weapons need some control universally IMHO.
OR ELSE, maybe controlling the availability of ammo. An assault weapon without bullets is a wall hanging.

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@farmerman,

IYHO, humans need some control universally... a human without a gun is still a dangerous weapon.

Lets make it fair and level the playing field with universally relaxed gun laws for every American.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5242199)
Negative.

Common sense dictates More Guns equals Less Crime.

If that is so...and if we have more guns than anyone else on the planet...why do we have MORE crime and MORE violence?

Why?

Because many Americans live in big cities with heavily restrictive gun laws.
These Americans can not defend themselves when attacked by armed criminals.
Relax gun laws in these areas, give the law abiding American back his/her
right to bear arms and the surviving criminals will slip back into the shadows.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

I didn't realize the FBI report has to be considered "biased"

Why wouldn't you?

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@H2O MAN,

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Because many Americans live in big cities with heavily restrictive gun laws.
These Americans can not defend themselves when attacked by armed criminals.
Relax gun laws in these areas, give the law abiding American back his/her
right to bear arms and the armed criminal will slip back into the shadows.

Already have addressed this. There is absolutely nothing to suggest more guns will lead to anything but MORE VIOLENCE AND MORE SHOOTINGS.

America is proof of that...MORE GUNS than any other nation (as a total and as a percentage of population)...and yet we are awash in violence and shootings.

Your idea that more guns would lessen the number of shootings is absurd on its face. The facts show it to be absurd, H2O. Why are you persisting in an argument that is demonstrably incorrect?

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@H2O MAN,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5242211)
Frank Apisa wrote:

I didn't realize the FBI report has to be considered "biased"

Why wouldn't you?

Well...it may be biased...but you are saying it IS biased. I said "I didn't realize the report HAS TO BE CONSIDERED biased.

Can you give me any reasonable argument why the report HAS TO BE CONSIDERED BIASED?

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@Frank Apisa,

FrankA,
There are plenty of valid examples of draconian gun laws failing to work as planned.
There is plenty of valid evidence of draconian gun laws causing more deaths of innocent Americans.

There in no evidence that what I am proposing will fail or cause more deaths of law abiding citizens.
My plan will certainly result in more deaths of criminals in the short term.

Until you really look at the geographical location of daily gun violence occurs,
you will not have the information needed to make an informed conclusion.

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@Frank Apisa,

The FBI is a federal government agency - enough said.

You could type your entire response in caps, FrankA...

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Why does Obama support restricting the rights of black metropolitan
Americans so severely? What have they ever done to hurt him?

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@H2O MAN,

BOTTOM LINE:

If more legal guns in the hands of "honest, law-abiding citizens" truly resulted in less violence and fewer shootings...we would not be the country with the most shootings and most killings of any industrialized nations.

There is no getting around that, H2O.

Your efforts at doing so go nowhere.

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Until you really look at the geographical location of daily gun violence occurs,
you will not have the information needed to make an informed conclusion.

Do you mean I should do what you do...discount anything that does not conform to what I want to be the case?

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