Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@firefly,

We need to be more secure to avoid such things.This is alarming and very awful.
We are on war against terror.
We should stop this.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank,
I can't speak to his situation, but you don't need to look far to see how armed citizens on patrol can protect their property and reduce crime, compared to other areas.
During the L.A. Riots after the Rodney King incident, there we
as looting and arson all over the place, EXCEPT for the areas patrolled by and protected by armed citizens.

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@Alexgrid,

Alexgrid wrote:

We need to be more secure to avoid such things.This is alarming and very awful.
We are on war against terror.
We should stop this.

Yes we are a country at war, it's called the global war on terror (GWOT).

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

... you don't need to look far to see how armed citizens on patrol
can protect their property and reduce crime, compared to other areas.
During the L.A. Riots after the Rodney King incident, there we as looting and arson
all over the place, EXCEPT for the areas patrolled by and protected by armed citizens.

Yep.

Disarm the citizens and the proverbial **** will hit the fan at the very
first opportunity... criminals never let a serious crisis go to waste.

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@mysteryman,

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.. you don't need to look far to see how armed citizens on patrol
can protect their property and reduce crime, compared to other areas.

And what is the logical outcome of that?

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@mysteryman,

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Frank,
I can't speak to his situation, but you don't need to look far to see how armed citizens on patrol can protect their property and reduce crime, compared to other areas.
During the L.A. Riots after the Rodney King incident, there we
as looting and arson all over the place, EXCEPT for the areas patrolled by and protected by armed citizens.

In the 1980s there was a large scale riot in the Miami area center around NW 27 ave with a red neck trailer park right in the middle of this black riot area.

Smoke everywhere with the police not even trying to stop the looting and the burning of businesses all they did was to contained it to that area of the city.

However there was not a problem of any kind inside the little island of safety that where the trailer park the news camera showing how every owner was sitting outside with one kind or another firearm by them.

Not one rioter came into that park for some strange reason.

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@BillRM,

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Frank,
I can't speak to his situation, but you don't need to look far to see how armed citizens on patrol can protect their property and reduce crime, compared to other areas.
During the L.A. Riots after the Rodney King incident, there we
as looting and arson all over the place, EXCEPT for the areas patrolled by and protected by armed citizens.

In the 1980s there was a large scale riot in the Miami area center around NW 27 ave with a red neck trailer park right in the middle of this black riot area.

Smoke everywhere with the police not even trying to stop the looting and the burning of businesses all they did was to contained it to that area of the city.

However there was not a problem of any kind inside the little island of safety that where the trailer park the news camera showing how every owner was sitting outside with one kind or another firearm by them.

Not one rioter came into that park for some strange reason.

The thing you are not getting, Bill...is that there is a huge price we are paying for all those people sitting around feeling safe. And a part of that price is that many people are not safe who would be safe if there were not so many guns around.

This scenario you present is just a variation of: More guns equals a safer environment...which has recently been amended to be: More legal guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens equals a safer environment.

But, Bill...we have more legal guns in the hands of more "law abiding citizens" than any country on the planet...and we are one of the least safe developed countries on the planet.

Why can you not see that "More legal guns in the hands of more law-abiding citizens" is a recipe for disaster...not for safety?

Yes...those trailer park people sitting in front of their trailers with guns across their laps were in a little island of safety in that situation...BUT we have more legal guns in the hands of more law-abiding citizens than any other country on Earth...and we have more shootings and killings than almost any other.

Wake up!

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Frank,
I can't speak to his situation, but you don't need to look far to see how armed citizens on patrol can protect their property and reduce crime, compared to other areas.
During the L.A. Riots after the Rodney King incident, there we
as looting and arson all over the place, EXCEPT for the areas patrolled by and protected by armed citizens.

In the 1980s there was a large scale riot in the Miami area center around NW 27 ave with a red neck trailer park right in the middle of this black riot area.

Smoke everywhere with the police not even trying to stop the looting and the burning of businesses all they did was to contained it to that area of the city.

However there was not a problem of any kind inside the little island of safety that where the trailer park the news camera showing how every owner was sitting outside with one kind or another firearm by them.

Not one rioter came into that park for some strange reason.

Yep, I think that was one of the Overtown and Liberty City riots.
The looters respected the armed citizens and pursued softer targets.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Why can you not see that "More legal guns in the hands of more law-abiding citizens" is a recipe for disaster...not for safety?

Sorry those guns save a whole small community from being burned to the ground during a large scale riot and the guns in the hands of my neighbors gave the only security possible and reduce looting for weeks after Hurricane Andrew where the police was not up and running and even if they where the phone systems both land and cell was not working for a prolong period to be able to call them.

We are going to keep out guns. Criminals will always be armed see Mexico and allowing them to have firearms but not the law abiding citizens is insane.

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@BillRM,

Only in America.

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@mysteryman,

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During the L.A. Riots after the Rodney King incident, there we

Hey - if Rodney King had a gun maybe the cops wouldn't have beaten the **** out of him - thus no riots!

MORE GUNS!

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@H2O MAN,

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Yes we are a country at war,

The US is always at war, but that's a misuse of the term. An accurate description is the US has perpetually illegally invaded other countries, fomented trouble in other countries, either tortured, raped or murdered themselves or paid proxies to do so.

And it hasn't abated at all. Look at Iraq and Afghanistan.

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it's called the global war on terror (GWOT).

That's the propaganda. All the terrorism that has occurred since this bit of nonsense was created to rally idiot Americans doesn't come anywhere close, not even in the same universe, to all the terrorist activities that the US has engaged in since its own terrorist beginnings.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

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it's called the global war on terror (GWOT).

That's the propaganda.

No, that's the name given.

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NY Times: Obama’s Gun Ban Wouldn’t Have Prevented Newtown

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@H2O MAN,

From the above quoted article:

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Another proposal that Mr. Obama is expected to make could well have slowed Mr. Lanza’s rampage: banning high-capacity magazines, like the 30-round magazines that the police said Mr. Lanza used, which have been factors in several other recent mass shootings.

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@Walter Hinteler,

What the writer and Obama fail to understand is that millions
of magazines like the ones used are already in circulation.
Even that reporter found one in DC so he could show it on TV.
Hi-Cap mags have been banned in DC for years...

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Next door, in Rhode Island, the Newtown massacre and the following gun
control debate has been the best marketing tool ever for RI gun dealers.

"Gun sales in Rhode Island were up about 40 percent in 2012 according to
statistics compiled by the state Attorney General’s office and store
owners say sales climbed even more sharply since the Newtown school
shooting.

Several Rhode Island gun store owners tell Target 12 their sales have doubled
in recent weeks and they say so far it’s not ‘slowing down’ in 2013."

One gun shop proprietor "noticed an especially strong demand for 30 round
magazines. He said high capacity magazines were selling for about $20 a
piece before the Connecticut shooting. Now, he says they're selling for
about 5 times that."

WPRI Eyewitness News goes on to report, "Police say Lanza used a
Bushmaster .233. Gun store owners say that is among the weapons
that is in especially high demand. One store owner remembers the
weapon selling for about $1400 before the shooting but now retailing
for almost twice that. He said people are fearful the Bushmaster and
other semi-automatic weapons will be banned."

Say what you want about mass murder and the gun control debate, it's
great for business!

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@BillRM,

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Sorry those guns save a whole small community from being burned to the ground during a large scale riot and the guns in the hands of my neighbors gave the only security possible and reduce looting for weeks after Hurricane Andrew where the police was not up and running and even if they where the phone systems both land and cell was not working for a prolong period to be able to call them.

We are going to keep out guns. Criminals will always be armed see Mexico and allowing them to have firearms but not the law abiding citizens is insane.

Bill...I am convinced that you will keep your guns. Frankly, I do not see a concerted effort to take them away from you…and even if a concerted effort were mounted, I would bet big money that it would fail completely. That is not the question here.

You keep avoiding any reasonable response to:

If more legal guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens truly resulted in less violence and fewer shootings...why are we not the safest country in the world with less violence and fewer shootings than any other? We have more legal guns in the hands of more people than any country on Earth...and yet we are one of the most violent with an absurd number of shootings--both accidental and on-purpose.

All you have ever said is, "The drugs laws are the problem."

But the percentage of total homicides in the US each year that are narcotics related are less than 5%.

So why are you suggesting, often insisting, that more guns will equal fewer shootings and less violence?

Bill…please respond to that.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/dcf.pdf Page 6

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

If more legal guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens truly resulted in less violence and fewer shootings...why are we not the safest country in the world with less violence and fewer shootings than any other?

That's easy.
The vast majority of gun violence is occurring in the big metropolitan cities that have the most severe restrictions on gun ownership.
You would see a dramatic drop in gun violence if these draconian restrictions were relaxed.

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@H2O MAN,

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That's easy.

Is it?

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The vast majority of gun violence is occurring in the big metropolitan cities that have the most severe restrictions on gun ownership.

You mean big metropolitan cities like Newtown.

Actually, H2O…I have read that as a percentage of population, the gun violence in small towns is HUGE compared with gun violence as a percentage of population in major cities. I’m not going to bother to search for it, but if you are saying that AS A PERCENTAGE it is greater in big metropolitan areas…I’d love to see your statistics. But if you are not working with percentages...there is no value to the information.

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You would see a dramatic drop in gun violence if these draconian restrictions were relaxed.

All statistics seem to point to "relaxing restrictions" will result in more guns in those cities and that would almost certainly LEAD TO MORE SHOOTINGS AND VIOLENCE...not less. That is my point: We have more legal guns than any other industrialized country...and we have WAY more shootings. More guns equals more shootings and more violence....not the other way around.

But I appreciate you at least trying to deal with the question.

The fact is, though, that we undoubtedly have more legal guns in the hands of more "law-abiding" citizens in our big metropolitan areas than in the major metropolitan areas of any other country...and we still have more crime, shootings, and violence in those metropolitan areas than in corresponding metropolitan areas elsewhere where there are fewer "legal" guns.

If "more guns equals less violence; less shootings; less crime"...why would that be?

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