Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@Joe Nation,

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Several people here on this forum as well US Representatives, such as Louis Gohmert of Texas, have claimed that the Federal Goverthment in its current incarnation has already become a dictatorship. (See his recent comments on Presidential appointments and Executive Orders.)
1) Do you agree?

No at the moment I am in the state of worrisome concern over the actions of the leadership by both parties but we are far from breaking out the guns.

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2) When do you start shooting?

When and if the constitution is openly no longer being obey by the government and no longer the foundation of the federal government.

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3) Who are the first targets?

Any part of the then existing government that resist having the constitutional government being but back in place.

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@Joe Nation,

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If only there were more guns Joe this might not have happened.

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@parados,

I know.
Think of all we could have done to promote the Constitution's safety by just walking up and down our town's streets waving our weapons.

Yes, this is the kind of country Bill wants.
Armed camps and mobs....

Joe(he would have loved the Middle Ages in Europe)Nation

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@Joe Nation,

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I know.
Think of all we could have done to promote the Constitution's safety by just walking up and down our town's streets waving our weapons.

Yes, this is the kind of country Bill wants.
Armed camps and mobs....

It worked for the few weeks my community did not have any kind of police protection after Hurricane Andrew hit with armed citizens mainly with shotguns patrolling against looters.

Compare to other near by communities that did not have any patrols we have almost no looters.

Footnote there was not even a working land line or cell phones to even try to call the police.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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If only there were more guns Joe this might not have happened.

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Victims need to be better armed

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Yeah, because then he could have shot the homeowner instead of rolling down his window to say, "Sorry."

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@BillRM,

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It worked for the few weeks my community did not have any kind of police protection after Hurricane Andrew hit with armed citizens mainly with shotguns patrolling against looters.

Compare to other near by communities that did not have any patrols we have almost no looters.

One is forced to presume Bill that the people in your community are only law abiding when guns are pointed at them. I can't see them being any different from those in near by communities unless it is that they are less well insured or more desirous of being on patrol.

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@spendius,

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One is forced to presume Bill that the people in your community are only law abiding when guns are pointed at them. I can't see them being any different from those in near by communities unless it is that they are less well insured or more desirous of being on patrol.

LOL the protection was not aim at the people living in the community it was aim at controlling people coming in from outside looking for chances to loot the homes.

The same reason that the national guard are given the same task after major storms and such. The patrols continue until the national guard did in fact show up and that did not happen for many weeks.

Once more we have far less looting in our community then those without armed patrols protection.

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@Joe Nation,

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Yes, this is the kind of country Bill wants.
Armed camps and mobs....

Joe(he would have loved the Middle Ages in Europe)Nation

Or the old west. At least according to the cowboy movies.

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@IRFRANK,

An you wish for Germany in the 1930s...........

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@BillRM,

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Once more we have far less looting in our community then those without armed patrols protection.

Somehow, I find that difficult to accept. Do you have anything to which you can link to verify that this is so...and not just something you are saying because it is difficult to question?

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@Frank Apisa,

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Somehow, I find that difficult to accept. Do you have anything to which you can link to verify that this is so...and not just something you are saying because it is difficult to question?

I do not know why you would think that without law enforcement in place and with wide open homes that communities with armed patrols had far less of a problem with looting then those without that protection.

I remember hearing that a prof from the U of M was talking about writing a paper concerning the level of self help that existed in my middle class community compare to others after the storm but I do not know if he ever did so or not.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Once more we have far less looting in our community then those without armed patrols protection.

Somehow, I find that difficult to accept. Do you have anything to which you can link to verify that this is so...and not just something you are saying because it is difficult to question?

I wonder how the figures fared for homicides and disappearances during that period? I can't imagine those going down.

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@BillRM,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5240094)
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Somehow, I find that difficult to accept. Do you have anything to which you can link to verify that this is so...and not just something you are saying because it is difficult to question?

I do not know why you would think that without law enforcement in place and with wide open homes that communities with armed patrols had far less of a problem with looting then those without that protection.

Because I have a much less paranoid view of humanity than you.

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I remember hearing that a prof from the U of M was talking about writing a paper concerning the level of self help that existed in my middle class community compare to others after the storm but I do not know if he ever did so or not.

I'm not interested in the amount of self help that existed there. I hope it was high...and I never cease to be amazed at the amount of help humans are willing to give to fellow humans during times of calamities.

I am interested in your assertion that crime was high in areas where you armed guards did not patrol...as compared with the crime in your area.

Do you have ANYTHING to substantiate that...or do we have to take your word for it?

If we have to take your word for it...considering some of the conversation of the last many months...I will accept it, but only with a healthy dose of salt.

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@Frank Apisa,

There seems to had been a paper written concerning local leadership and recovery of my community however the paper itself is not sadly on line.

I will need to take note of it and look it up the next time I am at the UM library.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Because I have a much less paranoid view of humanity than you

LOL then we surely do not need the police less alone SWAT and the national guard police functions after storms is not needed also.

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@BillRM,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5240094)
There seems to had been a paper written concerning local leadership and recovery of my community however the paper itself is not sadly on line.

I will need to take note of it and look it up the next time I am at the UM library.

Thanks. Anything you find that you can share will be appreciated.

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@BillRM,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5240105)
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Because I have a much less paranoid view of humanity than you

LOL then we surely do not need the police less alone SWAT and the national guard police functions after storms is not needed also.

If I say I am not as hungry as you...it does not mean I want to give up eating, Bill. And because I have a much less paranoid view of humanity than you...does not mean I am willing to trust every human in every circumstance.

I merely was questioning the scenario you presented...and continue to do so.

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@Frank Apisa,

Well I do not know about your believe that looters are not a factor in any area hit by such stage 5 hurricane as Andrew but it does happen and many many months after the storm was over and law enforcement was once more in place I still found a gentleman removing a car jack from the ruins of my home and make him give it back to me.

Without the security of the armed patrols in the weeks right after the storm there would had been little remaining in any of the homes in my opinion.

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@BillRM,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5240117)
Well I do not know about your believe that looters are not a factor in any area hit by such stage 5 hurricane as Andrew

Where have I ever said anything like that???

Where do you come up with this stuff?

I am questioning your assertion about what happened in your community...as compared with another near-by community.

I suspect you will never come back with any substantiation for the assertion, because I think it is a self-serving comment that you simply made on the spur of the moment.

But we will see. If you come back with anything of substance, you are going to make me look bad...so give it your best.

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