Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@parados,

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manufactured by the FBI? They were illegal.
How about the live grenades? Were they manufactured by the FBI? They were also illegal

Show me one outside weapon expert that been allow to look at all those so call weapons you are talking about.

Seems if the government did no have anything to hide that first thing it would do is call into being a panel of outside experts to look at all these illegal weapons and produce a public report.

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@parados,

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So you are accusing the Texas Rangers and the Texas courts of being in collusion with the FBI to tamper with evidence.

OK... got it. You are truly paranoid and should seek medical help.

I am charging the government of not allowing outside weapon experts from examining those weapons and that is on it face somewhat strange to say the least.

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@parados,

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I guess you just ignore the fact that the Feds changed their engagement policy after the investigation of Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Hell how silly can you be as I stated in a posting far far far up this thread that the raid had resulted in the ATF not doing such large scale raids since then or at least none that I had hear of.

Of course small scale raids of this type is sadly still ongoing.

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@BillRM,

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Show me one outside weapon expert that been allow to look at all those so call weapons you are talking about.

Oh good ******* god.

Show me one expert that has said you are mentally fit to own a gun.

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@parados,

Congressional hearings and all and yet no outside experts looking at those weapons how very very strange.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Congressional hearings and all and yet no outside experts looking at those weapons how very very strange.

What do you consider an outside expert?
The problem is you accuse the Texas Rangers of not being outside the FBI or experts.
You accuse the Texas Courts of not being outside the FBI or experts.

Is the only true outside expert one that hates the government and is predisposed to agree with you?

Let me ask you Bill, are you expert enough to be able to recognize a silencer?

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@parados,

The meaning of outside experts is always been clear experts that are not employees of the government.

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@BillRM,

If this discussion was in a pub, Bill, you and your mate would be left to have it out set to one-side. And quite a while ago.

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Bill is in complete agreement with no deceased Timothy McVeigh.

Joe(okay)Nation

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@Joe Nation,

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Bill is in complete agreement with no deceased Timothy McVeigh

In what way am I in agreement with McVeigh actions of doing mass killings of for the most part completely innocent men women and children down to infants who have nothing to do with Waco or Rudy Ridge?

The agents of the Federal government killing a child walking his dog and a woman holding her infant is wrong as well as the killing of innocent children at Waco.

That does not however make killings one hell of lot of innocent people and children by McVeigh trying to killed FBI and ATF agents right to say the least.

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@BillRM,

Bill:
McVeigh believed that the Federal Government was complict in the deaths of American citizens.
How say you?
McVeigh believed that once the Federal Government or its agencies passed a certain line, the agents of that Government were legitimate targets for retribution by citizens of the USA.
How say you?
McVeigh believed that those who might die as a result of any action against the agents of the Federal Government were expendable as any other victims of war.
How say you?
McVeigh believed that the Federal Government should have no power to assess, control or inspect the arms possessed by free citizen of the USA?
That any attempt to assess, control or inspect said arms should be met with and and all means necessary.
How say you?

Joe(inquiring minds want to know)Nation
PS: The first answer will be interesting in light of what others have said elsewhere about drone attacks.

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@Joe Nation,

Joe:
Mark Mattioli, whose six-year-old son James perished inside of the school,
testified that a plethora of new gun laws isn’t the answer and that, instead,
personal responsibility, accountability and civility are the best path forward.
How say you?

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@Joe Nation,

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cVeigh believed that the Federal Government was complict in the deaths of American citizens.
How say you?

Sure both the child walking his dog and the woman killed while holding her baby for example and as the federal government settle a number of civil suits over the matter so there is little question of those two killings involved US agents wrong doing.

Not to mention the state government did charges file criminal charges against the FBI sniper that killed the woman.

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McVeigh believed that once the Federal Government or its agencies passed a certain line, the agents of that Government were legitimate targets for retribution by citizens of the USA.

Sure if the government turn into a dictatorship and the agents become a US version of the German SS.

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McVeigh believed that those who might die as a result of any action against the agents of the Federal Government were expendable as any other victims of war.

Hell no!!!!

I do think that doing any actions that would resulted or likely to resulted in the deaths of innocent men women and children is wrong whether the government does it as at Ruby Ridge or Waco or whether McVeigh did in Oklahoma City.

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McVeigh believed that the Federal Government should have no power to assess, control or inspect the arms possessed by free citizen of the USA?
That any attempt to assess, control or inspect said arms should be met with and and all means necessary.
How say you?

Hell no....The government had functions when it come to guns but those functions are sharply limited by the second amendment.

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Sure if the government turn into a dictatorship and the agents become a US version of the German SS.

Several people here on this forum as well US Representatives, such as Louis Gohmert of Texas, have claimed that the Federal Goverthment in its current incarnation has already become a dictatorship. (See his recent comments on Presidential appointments and Executive Orders.)
1) Do you agree?
2) When do you start shooting?
3) Who are the first targets?

Since you don't agree in the "collateral damage" theory of war, how do you and your rebel companions intend to avoid killing those who might be in the way of your assault on the dictatorship?
Not that that matters to me.
I want you to know that there are many on the left who believe as you do and want the revolution to begin post haste.

Joe (let's go. right?)Nation

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@Joe Nation,

Joe Nation wrote:

I want you to know that there are many on the left who believe as you do and want the revolution to begin post haste.

Great, but just know (as you surely will since you are Joe "Ever the Clever" Nation) that when the government is overthrown, the guns that only the right-wingers kept will be turned on our allies of convenience.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Sure, finn...happy you think that:""

Meanwhile: http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/29/georgia-man-shoots-and-kills-young-latino-who-accidentally-pulled-into-his-driveway-police-say/

The rightwingers continue to be panic stricken.

Joe(idiots with guns)Nation

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@Joe Nation,

Joe Nation wrote:

Sure, finn...happy you think that:""

Meanwhile: http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/29/georgia-man-shoots-and-kills-young-latino-who-accidentally-pulled-into-his-driveway-police-say/

The rightwingers continue to be panic stricken.

Joe(idiots with guns)Nation

I 'm a rightwinger.
I 'm not panic stricken.

David

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@Joe Nation,

I wonder. Have we gotten far enough away, in time, from the Travon incident that they are ready to let his shooter off?

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@Joe Nation,

Joe Nation wrote:

Bill:
McVeigh believed that the Federal Government was complict in the deaths of American citizens.
How say you?
McVeigh believed that once the Federal Government or its agencies passed a certain line,
the agents of that Government were legitimate targets for retribution by citizens of the USA.
How say you?

McVeigh believed that those who might die as a result of any action against the agents of the Federal Government
were expendable as any other victims of war.
How say you?

Help me remember:
what was Abe Lincoln's philosophy on that matter ?

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@RABEL222,

Hopefully, it's far enough in the past we'll try the case on the evidence, whatever that is.

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