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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
parados
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 01:06 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

He fired into a home blindly and the government once more settle for doing so.

I guess you are going to ignore actual facts and make up your own.
BillRM
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 01:07 pm
@parados,
Quote:
he acts of a few demonizes the whole?

That's an interesting take on it Bill.
More people die from civilians having guns than die at the hands of government officials. You sure you want to keep that stance?


Civilians do not get tanks to knocked your home apart or drop bombs from the air thereby burning hundreds of homes to the ground and once more killing children so the government need arm citizens to balance out the power of the state.
BillRM
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 01:17 pm
@parados,
Quote:
At the time he was firing at a suspect that was fleeing.
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That fleeing suspect was given a few hundreds thousands dollars by the federal government to settle a wrongful shooting claim.

An criminal charges at the state level seems to had been level against the sniper and then dismiss over the federal/state power issues.
BillRM
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 01:29 pm
@parados,
Here is how an FBI agent get away with at least manslaughter.



Quote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi

Boundary County, Idaho Prosecutor Denise Woodbury, with the help of special prosecutor Stephen Yagman, charged Horiuchi in state court with involuntary manslaughter over his killing of Vicki Weaver. The U.S. Attorney filed a notice of removal of the case to federal court, which automatically took effect under the statute for removal jurisdiction[10] where the case was dismissed by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge on May 14, 1998, who cited the supremacy clause of the Constitution which grants immunity to federal officers acting in the scope of their employment.[2]
The decision to dismiss the charges was reversed by an en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit, which held that enough uncertainty about the facts of the case existed for Horiuchi to stand trial on state manslaughter charges.[2] Ultimately, the then-sitting Boundary County prosecutor, Brett Benson, who had defeated Woodbury in the 2000 election, decided to drop the charges because he felt it was unlikely the state could prove the case and too much time had passed. Yagman, the special prosecutor, responded that he "could not disagree more with this decision than I do."[11]
The Ninth Circuit granted Boundary County's motion to dismiss the case against Horiuchi on September 14, 2001.[12]
izzythepush
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 02:04 pm
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Setanta
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 02:16 pm
@BillRM,
Hyperbole is your friend, huh Bill? Sixty-five houses burned in Philadelphia, not hundreds. The armored vehicles used in Waco were used to introduce tear gas into the building, not to knock it down.
parados
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 02:36 pm
@BillRM,
Someone is guilty now if they are charged with a crime and then the criminal charges are dropped? I didn't realize that had changed in the US recently.
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parados
 
  2  
Mon 28 Jan, 2013 02:44 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:


That fleeing suspect was given a few hundreds thousands dollars by the federal government to settle a wrongful shooting claim.
No, he was paid because his rights were violated not because it was a wrongful shooting.

Quote:

An criminal charges at the state level seems to had been level against the sniper and then dismiss over the federal/state power issues.
No, the state dropped the charges because the prosecutor felt there wasn't enough evidence to convict after Fed appeals court said it could go to court in the state.
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BillRM
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 03:04 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
ole is your friend, huh Bill? Sixty-five houses burned in Philadelphia, n


Only 65 homes only 65 innocent families burned out of their homes not hundreds oh my then what happen was indeed no big deal and I am so sorry that I had dare to bring up this matter with only 65 homes being destroy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote:
The armored vehicles used in Waco were used to introduce tear gas into the building, not to knock it down.


Walls where knocked down or at least tank size holes was placed in the building shell and I do not off hand think that would do anything to increase the structure integrity of a wooden building even without a fire.
Setanta
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 03:13 pm
@BillRM,
As always, you sneer (while butchering the language) but you dodge the burden of the criticism. You indulge hyperbole (a word you were careful to keep out of the quote), because you try to ramp these discussion up to the level of hysteria. Without that exaggeration and hysteria, you couldn't justify either your phony indignation or your paranoia.

Chimp.
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parados
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 03:13 pm
@BillRM,
And yet most of them died next to a concrete block wall.

Hmm.... methinks you don't know your facts Bill.
BillRM
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 03:19 pm
@parados,
Quote:
And yet most of them died next to a concrete block wall.

Hmm.... methinks you don't know your facts Bill.


So??????? Where did I stated that the building collapse killing them?

When tanks are knocking very large holes into your home and there was any concrete safe area I would go into it to as I would be concern over the whole building could be coming down on my head.

The fire and the smoke killed them in the end but so what?
parados
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 03:31 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
The fire and the smoke killed them in the end but so what?

Again, no.

Many of them died from gun shot wounds.

Others did die from the collapse of a concrete wall which did so because of the fire.
BillRM
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 03:51 pm
@parados,
Once more the question come to mind so what they died and the children I always hear died from the fire and a wall collapsing due to the fire or the smoke or the heat or bullet holes they died due to the actions of the government unless you believe that they set the fire and I do not for a second.
H2O MAN
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 04:40 pm

See the video Here: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...nding-ovation/


‘The Problem Is Not Gun Laws’:
Emotional Speech by a Sandy Hook Victim’s Dad That Got a Standing Ovation


Mark Mattioli, whose six-year-old son James perished inside of the school, testified that a plethora of new gun laws isn’t the answer and that, instead, personal responsibility, accountability and civility are the best path forward. He made his comments as intense debate surrounding gun control and the causal factors behind the shooting continue to be at the forefront of public discussion.

The grieving father, who ended up receiving a standing ovation, said that he believes in “simple, few gun laws” and that there are already “more than enough on the books.” Mattioli contends that “the problem is not gun laws” and that these regulations simply need to be enforced.

“How do we expect to have any impact on a society and say, ‘We’re going to pass a law. Hey this is inexcusable. We can’t allow any more of this. Let’s pass a law that will change the course of the future’ when we don’t enforce the laws that we have on the books — the most important laws?,” he asked.

Mattioli also addressed mental health, a key issue that has often fallen second to gun control in discussions surrounding the Sandy Hook shooting.

“I think there’s much more promise for a solution in identifying, researching and creating solutions along the lines of mental health issues — I think there’s a lot of work that can be done there,” he said. ”I believe the solution may not be as easy to implement as I might hope, but it’s a simple concept. We need civility across our nation.”

At one point Mattioli got so emotional during the the testimony that he had to move onto a new topic. He eventually went on to say that “we need common decency to prevail,” dismissing calls for greater gun control. Mattioli gave the specific example of Chicago, a city with tough gun laws, but one that continues to experience intense violence. He noted that gun laws did not protect the hundreds of people who died in that city last year
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parados
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 05:47 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Once more the question come to mind so what they died and the children I always hear died from the fire and a wall collapsing due to the fire or the smoke or the heat or bullet holes they died due to the actions of the government unless you believe that they set the fire and I do not for a second.

I guess you are free to live in a fantasy world.
Not exactly the kind of person we want owning guns however.
H2O MAN
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 05:52 pm


Mark Mattioli, whose six-year-old son James perished inside of the school,
testified that a plethora of new gun laws isn’t the answer and that, instead,
personal responsibility, accountability and civility are the best path forward.
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H2O MAN
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 09:04 pm
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/75040_417886168293620_1027031387_n.jpg
Val Killmore
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 09:25 pm
@H2O MAN,
So our president can't read books written by Muslims?
Anyway you should read the book first before you judge the president.

Here is a summary of the thesis of the book.

Quote:
When a book proclaims that it is not about the decline of America but the rise of everyone else, readers might expect another diatribe about our dismal post-9/11 world. They are in for a pleasant surprise as Newsweek editor and popular pundit Zakaria (The Future of Freedom) delivers a stimulating, largely optimistic forecast of where the 21st century is heading. We are living in a peaceful era, he maintains; world violence peaked around 1990 and has plummeted to a record low. Burgeoning prosperity has spread to the developing world, raising standards of living in Brazil, India, China and
Indonesia. Twenty years ago China discarded Soviet economics but not its politics, leading to a wildly effective, top-down, scorched-earth boom. Its political antithesis, India, also prospers while remaining a chaotic, inefficient democracy, as Indian elected officials are (generally) loathe to use the brutally efficient tactics that are the staple of Chinese governance. Paradoxically, India's greatest asset is its relative stability in the region; its officials take an unruly population for granted, while dissent produces paranoia in Chinese leaders. Zakaria predicts that despite its record of recent blunders at home and abroad, America will stay strong, buoyed by a stellar educational system and the influx of young immigrants, who give the U.S. a more youthful demographic than Europe and much of Asia whose workers support an increasing population of unproductive elderly. A lucid, thought-provoking appraisal of world affairs, this book will engage readers on both sides of the political spectrum.
H2O MAN
 
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Mon 28 Jan, 2013 09:28 pm
@Val Killmore,

Obama can read whatever he wants and it doesn't matter who wrote it.
The summary of the thesis indicates it was written pre-Obama, is that correct?

Anyway, I really wish he would read and support the US Constitution.
 

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