Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

The summary of the thesis indicates it was written pre-Obama, is that correct?

Publication Date: May 4, 2009 - I couldn't any source aabout when it was actually written.

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According to Walter's information, the book was written before many people new anything about Obama except when Biden described him as an articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy and when Clinton said: a few years ago, this guy would be getting us coffee.

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I like how this site has suddenly become more civilized...

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Fareed Zakaria?
Seriously, you're scared shitless that Barak Obama was reading a book by
Fareed Zakaria? Seriously?

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@George,

I didn't know you were scared, you need to calm down... relax.

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@parados,

Details of how every child died if by smoke or heat or walls falling on them due to the fire have no relationship of any kind over if the damn federal government were the primary agent of they children deaths.

Nothing fantasy about children dying as a result of a fire cause by the federal government actions either directly or indirectly.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Details of how every child died if by smoke or heat or walls falling on them due to the fire have no relationship of any kind over if the damn federal government were the primary agent of they children deaths.

Really? So does that mean that children in Newtown died because of the Fed attack on Waco?

The details of who started the fires, how they died is very important in determining who was at fault.
In fact it never would have happened if the Branch Davidians hadn't had illegal weapons to begin with. So, it could be traced back to them if you want to find the initial cause. Many illegal automatic weapons were found and cataloged after the incident.

And the actual deaths can be traced to bullets fired by Branch Davidians and fires started by Branch Davidians. A little fact that you want to pretend doesn't exist.

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@parados,

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Really? So does that mean that children in Newtown died because of the Fed attack on Waco?

BULLSHIT the fire were started by the actions of the federal government staring with a raid of a few flat bed truck full of heavily armed agents looking for illegal guns their was no evidence for them having. Ending with tanks knocking holes in their walls and throwing in tear gas containers that is known to start fires into a dry out wooden building.

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hadn't had illegal weapons to begin w

Show me proof that they had one illegal weapon as the search warrant did not have any such proof only stating that they had a lot of AR15s that could be converted to full auto mode not that they had been.

In any case they could not had try knocking on their front door with a search warrant in hand instead of coming at them like the German SS would had.

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@parados,

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So does that mean that children in Newtown died because of the Fed attack on Waco?

No but the Oklahoma bombing and all those deaths had a very direct tied in with Waco and likely would not had occur but for Waco.

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@BillRM,

Well...if a person is known to own a lot of guns...and a warrant has to be served...and if there is the possibility of danger and loss of life in trying to serve a warrant...

...I think it proper to resort to a more aggressive approach by the serving authorities.

The individuals inside the house can simply come out in a way to show they are not a threat to the serving officers...

...or do what the people in Waco did.

I can tell you this...from the sounds of some of you folk defending the unbridled right to gun ownership, if the question of serving a warrant on any of you comes up, I hope the serving officials take extreme care...including taking defensive positions and demanding that you come out to accept the warrant and to peacefully allow the warrant to be enforced.

To do otherwise would be nuts.

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@Frank Apisa,

What will you do when they come knocking at your door, FrankA?

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@Frank Apisa,

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Well...if a person is known to own a lot of guns...and a warrant has to be served...and if there is the possibility of danger and loss of life in trying to serve a warrant...

...I think it proper to resort to a more aggressive approach by the serving authorities.

So twenty millions or so citizens with legal but large guns collections can look forward to such attacks by your lights as that what they are not the serving of a simple search warrant that could be done by a polite knock on the door.

When the government law enforcement agents start acting as if they are the German SS it is hardly surprising that people will reacted to them in a hostile manner in turn.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

When the government law enforcement agents start acting as if they are the German SS it is hardly surprising that people will reacted to them in a hostile manner in turn.

Count on it.

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@H2O MAN,

Same thing I do when the Jehovah's Witnesses come knocking. I'll answer the door and invite them in.

What will you do?

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@Frank Apisa,

No Jehovah's Witness has ever been seen exiting your home...

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@BillRM,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5239192)
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Well...if a person is known to own a lot of guns...and a warrant has to be served...and if there is the possibility of danger and loss of life in trying to serve a warrant...

...I think it proper to resort to a more aggressive approach by the serving authorities.

So twenty millions or so citizens with legal but large guns collections can look forward to such attacks by your lights as that what they are not the serving of a simple search warrant that could be done by a polite knock on the door.

When the government law enforcement agents start acting as if they are the German SS it is hardly surprising that people will reacted to them in a hostile manner in turn.

If a warrant has to be served...the serving officials should be careful if the person being served is known to possess a large weapons arsenal.

If you think otherwise, perhaps you ought be enlisted to be the server of the warrant.

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@Frank Apisa,

I check in every few days and the meandering conversation in this thread has sort of taken a turn toward paranoia by those who seem to feel that they are "ABOVE" the law just because they have guns.
Does this mean that every one of the gun nuts like spurt is going to be hoping to start an incident that ends in gunfire?

Spurt and Bill, whether you know it or not, you are defeating any previous points you were trying to make.

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@H2O MAN,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5239205)
No Jehovah's Witness has ever been seen exiting your home...

Sure they have. Some now know me by name. Others have been warned to stay away...because I am known to be just as anxious to wean them from their Bibles as they are for me to embrace them.

And I've got thirteen earmarked Bibles on my bookshelves to bolster my arguments.

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@Frank Apisa,

Who defines what a large weapons arsenal is?

Does one really big weapon count?

How about a quantity of small weapons?

All weapons?

Knives, forks, baseball bats, golf clubs, menstruating women?

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@H2O MAN,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5239207)
Who defines what a large weapons arsenal is?

The person serving the warrant.

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