Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@Finn dAbuzz,

You can't make national policy on the basis of a descent into primitivism after a destructive hurricane Finn.

The democratics are beginning to see the futility with their attempt to pass any new gun ban, I see this issue being
passed over in favor of much more important issues like run away spending, jobs, unemployment and the economy.

Exercise your constitutional right as a law abiding American... buy a gun and take a gun safety/marksmanship class or two.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

You can't make national policy on the basis of a descent into primitivism after a destructive hurricane Finn.

Likewise, you can't accelerate Obama's decent into socialism after a lunatic shoots up a school Spendi.

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@H2O MAN,

I didn't do H2O. The voters did.

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@spendius,

Too much time riding the short bus spendi?

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WaterBuoy wrote:

Obama's decent

http://alachuapolitix.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/thumbs-up.jpg

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@Region Philbis,

Region Philbis wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:
Obama's decent

Lame Duck

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@parados,

Ooooooh look at you Mr. smarty pants, putting words in other people's mouth. Here I have crown for you. It says here on the crown: "Queen Of Misrepresentation"

And what is you motto I wonder. Is it "Punish all for the crime by a few?"

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Lame Duck

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@Val Killmore,

Look at you. You can't answer a question.

No, that isn't my motto. But you don't seem to understand what punishment is. I suppose your mother punished you by not giving you ice cream for every meal.

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@parados,

Look at you. You think government is your mommy.

Now I can see why you chose your avatar. Are you on welfare by any chance? Cause it seems that you are implying with the that the government has to spoon feed you and it's not good to think independently. Why don't you move to China? I'm sure the government will act like a proper mommy, and take care of you as it sees fit.
So then is your motto: "Government's titty, everyone suck the government's teats or you're stupid?"

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@parados,

parados wrote:

oralloy wrote:
Nothing has been skewed. It is a fact that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

Your source actually says something that is nothing like that. It states it can't determine whether it has an impact or not.

Quote:
Due to the many confounding factors that arise when attempting international comparisons, this approach would appear to hold little promise for determining the influence of gun levels (or handgun availability) on violence rates.

True, but there is no correlation between gun availability and homicide rates in the data.

Correlation may not be causation, but lack of correlation is a sign of lack of causation.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

oralloy wrote:
parados wrote:
In the US in the last 40 years, guns have killed more people than knives have. There really is not question.
Guns are used in 60-70% of homicides so they kill more than knives
Guns are used in 50% of suicides and knives are not the choice of most suicides.

Interesting trivia, but they'd still be just as dead if they were killed with knives instead.

Some would be just as dead but FEWER would be dead.

Not likely.

More likely, about the same number of people would be dead.

parados wrote:

It's a simple case of efficiency of a tool.

Other tools are efficient enough that killers are still able to kill even without guns.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

oralloy wrote:
Knives are far from ideal spree weapons. But most killings are one-on-one affairs, and knives are very deadly in those circumstances.

Oh.. so now you want to talk about one on one murders?

I've been talking about one-on-one murders for years.

parados wrote:

Meanwhile Bill wants to avoid talking about one on one murders.

I doubt that. More likely he was just addressing someone's point about spree killers.

He is just as capable as I am of addressing both one-on-one killings and mass killings depending on how the conversation flows.

parados wrote:

Quick change the subject to something else because the facts are starting to defeat you.

Note that me and the facts are fighting on the same side.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

oralloy wrote:
No. The other tools may be less efficient. But they are still more than enough to result in a homicide. The end result is likely to be the number of victims staying about the same.

Right.. pillows kill as many people as guns because they are just as effective.

Not sure how effective smothering with pillows is, but the fact remains, there is no correlation between gun availability and homicide rates.

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@revelette,

revelette wrote:

Which was 18 years ago (not ten) committed by a anti-gun control extremist. After that reasoned measures were put in place.

Quote:
As a result of the bombing, the U.S. government passed the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, which tightened the standards for habeas corpus in the United States,[16] as well as legislation designed to increase the protection around federal buildings to deter future terrorist attacks.

Links at the source

Reasoned?

How many innocent people were executed in Texas after the standards for habeas corpus were "tightened"?

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@Joe Nation,

Joe Nation wrote:

Joe(the gun owners of America are responsible for the gun carnage.)Nation

Nonsense.

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

Joe Nation wrote:
Joe(the gun owners of America are responsible for the gun carnage.)Nation

That's right of course.

Hardly.

McTag wrote:

And some of them have even stated (on this thread, too) that the occasional slaughter is a price worth paying for the maintenance of their "freedom".

Usually the first response is to point out that our freedom is not the cause of such slaughters.

McTag wrote:

How can you argue with people like that?

Why would you want to argue about it in the first place? Just accept the fact that America is going to remain a free country.

McTag wrote:

And that's why I only deride them.

You deride people because there is no logical basis for your opposition to freedom.

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@Joe Nation,

Joe Nation wrote:

The word is sedition.
http://www.politicususa.com/contingent-gun-fanatics-intention-initiate-revolutionary-war.html

Nah. The words are: "deranged freedom hater writes a deranged article".

Joe Nation wrote:

Joe(somebody best be saying "Hold up, boys. We are just shooting our mouths off.")Nation

No.

It is true that Obama and the Democrats are plotting a major assault against the US Constitution, with the goal of eradicating America's freedom.

It is also true that America is gearing up to defeat Obama's wicked plot to destroy the Constitution.

But the only person shooting off their mouth is the deranged freedom hater who wrote the article. We're going to do our fighting by calling our Congressmen, by going out to vote for (and against) whoever the NRA recommends, and by challenging unconstitutional laws in the courts.

And (as always) we're going to win.

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You know what really bothers me about the contemporary stance of the NRA is that the second becomes more important than the first.

Wayne Pierre and the NRA has been publically trying to create the illusion that the Newtown Shooting wasn't the consequence of nearly universal availability to large capacity semi-automatic firearms, it is the consequence of TV, movies and video games. In other words the problem isn't the result of the Second Amendment its the result of the First (Freedom of Speech) and that is what needs to be curtailed.

Kinda puts these supposed Constitutional 'Freedom Fighters' in their place--they've becomed convinced that the First and Second are bass ackwards---

I'd love to see the their math, 'cause its not a sentient sell.

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