Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

but knives are just as effective as guns because they have never killed as many as guns?

Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5234325)
FrankA, you shouldn't have floated into the deep end of the pool...

So you guys hold all the cards...and you cannot lose. Yet you still keep arguing. What is the point?

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but knives are just as effective as guns because they have never killed as many as guns?

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It is strange is it not that we do not hear about even mass killings of school children that are happening around the world as long as they do not involved firearms?

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5234312)
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So you guys hold all the cards...and you cannot lose. Yet you still keep arguing. What is the point?

The point is not to let the anti 2 amendment crowd put out all kinds of misinformation out to the part of the public who are not gun owners therefore do not know better unchallenged.

It is strange is it not that we do not hear about even mass killings of school children that are happening around the world as long as they do not involved firearms in the mass media?

My comment that you are under-informed an in over your head stands.

Re: BillRM (Post 5234361)
Wishing to kill someone and having an very effective way to do so that is readily available are 2 different things. I never argued that guns cause people to want to kill.

People will always want to kill others no matter what we do. There is no way to stop people from thinking that. There are ways to make it harder to act on it.

If you walk in on your wife and a lover, you could well want to kill him. If you have a gun with you, it is easy to act on it. You simply pull it out and pull the trigger. Takes less than 2 seconds based on how fast you say you can draw and shoot. If you have to leave the room and go get a knife from the kitchen several things can happen that will leave everyone alive. You can change your mind, he can put his pants on and jump out the window, they can lock the bedroom door and call the police.

Yes, there is a public benefit to change out the tools of murder because some tools make it easier to murder than others. A pillow vs a gun. They are not the same and only a fool would argue that they are.

Maybe you should start a thread Bill that lists all those school knifings around the world.
I would bet it will be still less than the schools shootings around the world. Let's just deal with deaths in schools in 2012. Should be easy to find news stories.

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8 Children Die in Japan Knife Attack
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June 08, 2001|VALERIE REITMAN | TIMES STAFF WRITER
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TOKYO — A knife-wielding man burst into an elementary school in Osaka this morning, killing at least eight first- and second-grade students and injuring at least 21 other pupils and faculty, police said.

No motive was given for the stabbings, which echo a string of similar assaults against schoolchildren in 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50. Chinese children injured in knife attack outside primary school
Police say villager is in custody after attack in which 23 people were injured in Chengping as children arrived for classes
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Security staff at a school in Beijing: guards have been posted in schools across China after a spate of attacks. Photograph: Frederic J Brown/AFP/Getty Images
A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes, police say, the latest in a series of attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens.

The attack in the Henan province village of Chengping happened shortly before 8am local time on Friday, said a police officer from Guangshan county, where the village is located.

Min Yingjun, a 36-year-old villager, was taken into police custody, said the officer, who declined to give her name, as is customary among Chinese civil servants.

A Guangshan county hospital administrator said the man first attacked an elderly woman, then pupils, before security guards subdued him. Guards have been posted across China following a spate of school attacks in recent years. The administrator said there were no deaths among the nine children admitted, although two who were badly injured had been transferred to better-equipped hospitals outside the county.

A doctor at Guangshan's hospital of traditional Chinese medicine said seven pupils had been admitted, but that none were seriously injured. Neither the hospital administrator nor the doctor would give his name.

It was not clear how old the injured children were, but Chinese primary school pupils are generally aged between six and 11.

A notice posted on the Guangshan county government's website confirmed the number of injured and said an emergency response team had been set up to investigate the attacks.

No motive was given for the stabbings, which echo a string of similar assaults against schoolchildren in 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50. The most recent such attack took place in August, when a knife-wielding man broke into a middle school in the southern city of Nanchang and stabbed two students before fleeing.

Most of the attackers have been mentally disturbed men involved in personal disputes or unable to adjust to the rapid pace of social change in China, underscoring grave weaknesses in the antiquated Chinese medical system's ability to diagnose and treat psychiatric illness.

In one of the worst incidents, a man described as an unemployed, middle-aged doctor killed eight children with a knife in March 2010 to vent his anger over a thwarted romantic relationship.

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ime World reported the following on May 12, 2010, “China’s Soul Searching As School Killings Continue: A surge of attacks against children in China has continued in recent days despite official pledges of stepped-up security. The violence has prompted questions about the state of mental health care in China.

“. . .seven children and two adults were “hacked to death” and at least 20 people were injured in an attack in the central Shaanxi province, the state-run Xinhua news service reported. The assailant, a 48-year-old man who owned the house where the privately run kindergarten was located, killed himself after the attack.

“The assault is the sixth in a series of attacks on schoolchildren that has left at least 17 dead and dozens injured in the past eight weeks. The first, and deadliest, came on March 23, when a 42-year-old physician used a knife to kill eight students and wound five others as they waited outside the Nanping Experimental School in southeastern Fujian province. Domestic media reports suggested he had a history of mental illness. He was executed just over a month later, on April 28, the same day that 33-year-old Chen Kangbing stabbed 15 students and a teacher at a school in Guangdong province in southeast China. Chen had been a teacher at another school but went on disability leave in 2006 for mental health problems, according to state media. That was followed by an April 29 attack in Jiangsu province and another on April 30 in Shandong in eastern China.”

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http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/121226/chinese-school-children-are-rammed-combustible-car

48-year-old man ran down a group of 23 schoolchildren in China's Hebei Province on Wednesday, seriously injuring 13 of the youngsters, and causing minor injuries for the other 10 victims.

Xinhua reports that suspect Yin Tiejun's daughter had been murdered three years ago, and he was enraged after a court failed to sentence her murderers to death. He proceeded to commit the attack on the students, and tried to burn his van after smashing into the children.

Xinhua added that although gasoline and firecrackers were found in the van, they don't seem to have been intended for use in the attack.

Wishing to kill someone and having an very effective way to do so that is readily available are 2 different things. I never argued that guns cause people to want to kill.

The point is not to let the anti 2 amendment crowd put out all kinds of misinformation out to the part of the public who are not gun owners therefore do not know better unchallenged.

A pillow vs a gun. They are not the same and only a fool would argue that they are.

It not killed or harm children that matter it how such harm can be used by the anti-gum people right ehBeth?

An how many knivings had occur in schools since Columbine

How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown?