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Faking waves: how the NRA and pro-gun Americans abuse Australian crime stats
https://theconversation.edu.au/faking-waves-how-the-nra-and-pro-gun-americans-abuse-australian-crime-stats-11678

A point by point debunking of the myths and manipulation by the NRA of Australian statistics.

What I found most disturbing was the expat American commenter who mentioned that some of his right wing friends in the states circulate stuff about how much more dangerous Australia is post- gun reform. Utter bollocks.

We truly live in the age of disinformation.

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Bill is such an idiot. Any army which could march from Williamsburg, in eastern Virginia, to Concord, in central Massachusetts, in one night, would be an army of supermen. It's really embarrassing to have this clown puking up his comic book version of American history.

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@Setanta,

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Bill is such an idiot. Any army which could march from Williamsburg, in eastern Virginia, to Concord, in central Massachusetts, in one night, would be an army of supermen. It's really embarrassing to have this clown puking up his comic book version of American history.

Who said it was in one night and not months apart as a matter of fact?

Williamsburg seized of gun power in fact did not used army troops at all but marines off of a warship.

The concord matter involved troops out of Boston.

You might try reading the postings or for that matter knowing a little history yourself.

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@BillRM,

I did read your "posting" and as usual, it was barely in English. This one is no better.

This is what you wrote:

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It was your government agents going around and doing such things as using marines to seized, in the middle of the night, the community gun power supply from Williamsburg and then trying to seized weapons from Concord that resulted in our breaking away from the mother country in the first place.

You make no distinction here between the event in Williamsburg and the one in Concord. Furthermore, Major Pitcairn of the Royal Marines was the tactical commander of the column which marched on Concord, under the overall command of Francis Smith. If you weren't so goddamned ignorant of history, you wouldn't make stupid comments like that, which are sufficiently obscure that likely no one can ever hope to understand what you mean.

The revolution was a product of far more than the actions of redcoats in 1775. Way to make a simple-minded mess of a very complex situation. Of course, the gun nut lobby always has made simple-minded bullshit the hallmark of their arguments.

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@Setanta,

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I did read your "posting" and as usual, it was barely in English. This one is no better.

Poor baby that know such little history you need everything spell out for you in block letters.

One Willimsberg a night raid from a warship using a few ship marines.

Two Concord 1,700 or so regular troops out of Boston.

Also not done at the same time at all with the Williamsberg raid happening first.

Is that simple enough for you to understand or not?

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@BillRM,

This:

"One Willimsberg a night raid from a warship using a few ship marines."

. . . is not a sentence in English.

Don't try to blame others for the incredible stupidity of your statements, and the even more incredible ineptitude of your use of what one is sadly forced to assume is your native language. It's no fault of mine that you cannot make a clear and coherent statement.

By the way, dipshit, in the 18th century, all Royal Marines were assigned to ships, other than those assigned to port commanders and the Admiralty in England. You are a perfect example of the dictum that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You sure as hell know goddamned little about history.

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@Setanta,

God you are a fool..............and marines were indeed used in combat along with regular troops from time to time by the English of that time period.

Not that this is an issue concerning Concord and Williamsburg as the Concord raid involved only regular troops and the night seizure of gun power at Williamsburg only involved a few marines off of a warship.

How simple minded can you be?

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@BillRM,

You are apparently so simple-minded that you cannot distinguish the word "power" from the word "powder"--you have consistently used the word power where one would assume you meant powder. When you cannot do any better than that, when people have to constantly guess just what the hell you're trying to say, don't sneer at other people if they can't make out the drivel you post.

I know damned well that marines were used along with regular troops, although it was fairly uncommon. Given that a Major of Marines was the tactical commander of the column that left Boston, and given your incredible stupidity about history, it's understandable, especially in light of the idiotic way you wrote that post, that one would assume you had confused the events.

You're the fool here. You were attempting to suggest that our revolution was fought over the right to keep and bear arms, and that is pure bullshit. I really doubt that you do understand the underlying causes of the revolution.

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@Setanta,

No where on this thread had I try to give a list of all the reasons for the revolution as that list would be very long indeed so you are setting up a meaningless straw man to attacked as were your silly statement that I was somehow claiming that a British column could be at both Williamsburg and Concord in a short period of time.

The issue of gun POWDER and weapons seizures one however did started the fighting and two had annoyed Virginia citizens enough that they was far more wiling to break away then they otherwise would had been without having woke up one morning to find their main means of self defense had been taken away from them by the order of the Governor to an English man of war.

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Comment the Williamsburg site is well worth visiting if you are anywhere near it.

I were somewhat surprise and shocked that the weapons and gun POWDER magazine were to be found right in the center of the town without even any berms around it!!!!!!!

Talk about a safety hazard of the first order and poor military engineering beside.

Even in the 1700s they should had known better.

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I used to live in Williamsburg, so i suspect i know at least as much about it, if not more than you do. Once again, don't try to blame others for your inability to express yourself coherently in English.

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@BillRM,

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An they build in all kinds of safe guards to keep it that way including the second amendment as they did not trust the people that might come into power in the future.

"WE"...are still the government.

I recognize that it is easy to corrupt most humans...but "WE" are still the government. So...unless you have a mouse in your pocket, you should really confine yourself to saying "You distrust the government"...not we.

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@hawkeye10,

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I have always thought that "WE" are the government?

even in spite of all of the recent evidence that government has become fully a "pay to play" outfit which has little concern for the greater good or fulfilling many of its mandates (responsible leadership, building a better america, looking out for the best interests of the children and follow on generations), you still believe that??

I don't do "believing", Hawk...but I know that "WE" are the government.

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@Setanta,

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used to live in Williamsburg, so i suspect i know at least as much about it, if not more than you do. Once again, don't try to blame others for your inability to express yourself coherently in English.

I love you to with special note of how you love setting up straw men to then knocked down.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I recognize that it is easy to corrupt most humans...but "WE" are still the government. So...unless you have a mouse in your pocket, you should really confine yourself to saying "You distrust the government"...not we.

Once more the founding fathers distrusted government power and therefore design our system with build in safe guards whether you care to admit it or not.

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@BillRM,

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I recognize that it is easy to corrupt most humans...but "WE" are still the government. So...unless you have a mouse in your pocket, you should really confine yourself to saying "You distrust the government"...not we.

Once more the founding fathers distrusted government power and therefore design our system with build in safe guards whether you care to admit it or not.

I do not have to "admit" it, Bill...but I have no trouble whatsoever acknowledging it. Yes...they did.

That does not mean my question about who you mean when you write "we" is not in order. You do not speak for me...and it sounded like you were trying to.

In any case, WE are still the government. Can you acknowledge that?

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@hingehead,

It's happened on this thread at least three or four times. The truth appears to be irrelevant.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

The truth appears to be irrelevant.

It is. Gun culture is an ideology. An ideology is not held because of study and thought.

"Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."

They don't want to be free, truly; they choose to be imprisoned by their beliefs.

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@Frank Apisa,

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In any case, WE are still the government. Can you acknowledge that?

If you mean that the government should deride it powers from the people hell yes if you mean that the government first concern is the welfare of the population as a whole and the wishes of the people as a whole matter the most hell no.

Billions are spend at the Federal level so special interests can even write some of the bills themselves and get congressmen to pass them.

Hell there are around ten lobbies per congressperson the last I hear.

At the local levels it is worst as for example my local government pass a billion dollars of public funds for a new baseball stadium against the clear wishes of the people as express in all public polls and even with court challenges we ended up on the short end.

A number of the commissioners were even recalled after the fact however the money still was gone.

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@BillRM,

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In any case, WE are still the government. Can you acknowledge that?

If you mean that the government should deride (sic) it powers from the people hell yes

I'm going to assume this to be a Freudian slip. But it was funny coming from you.

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...if you mean that the government first concern is the welfare of the population as a whole and the wishes of the people as a whole matter the most hell no.

What I mean is that the "WE" in "We, the People..."...means that we are the government as well as the governed.

Stop trying to be fancy in order to get away from acknowledging it.

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Billions are spend at the Federal level so special interests can even write some of the bills themselves and get congressmen to pass them.

Wow! Imagine that. Corruption in government.

Just for the record, Bill...please name a government that you are relatively sure was not corrupt. Please, do not restrict yourself to today...here on planet Earth. Use our past history and any other planetary government to which you are privy.

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Hell there are around ten lobbies per congressperson the last I hear.

Whatever! We, the people, vote people into office. If you do not like what they are doing...get elected yourself and change it.

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At the local levels it is worst as for example my local government pass a billion dollars of public funds for a new baseball stadium against the clear wishes of the people as express in all public polls and even with court challenges we ended up on the short end.

Uh huh...sometimes the government does stuff we don't like. If you are one of those people...get elected yourself and change that.

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A number of the commissioners were even recalled after the fact however the money still was gone.

Recalling the commissioners is a start.

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