@BillRM,
Quote:Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5232365)
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In any case, WE are still the government. Can you acknowledge that?
If you mean that the government should deride (sic) it powers from the people hell yes
I'm going to assume this to be a Freudian slip. But it was funny coming from you.
Quote:...if you mean that the government first concern is the welfare of the population as a whole and the wishes of the people as a whole matter the most hell no.
What I mean is that the "WE" in "We, the People..."...means that we are the government as well as the governed.
Stop trying to be fancy in order to get away from acknowledging it.
Quote:Billions are spend at the Federal level so special interests can even write some of the bills themselves and get congressmen to pass them.
Wow! Imagine that. Corruption in government.
Just for the record, Bill...please name a government that you are relatively sure was not corrupt. Please, do not restrict yourself to today...here on planet Earth. Use our past history and any other planetary government to which you are privy.
Quote:Hell there are around ten lobbies per congressperson the last I hear.
Whatever! We, the people, vote people into office. If you do not like what they are doing...get elected yourself and change it.
Quote:At the local levels it is worst as for example my local government pass a billion dollars of public funds for a new baseball stadium against the clear wishes of the people as express in all public polls and even with court challenges we ended up on the short end.
Uh huh...sometimes the government does stuff we don't like. If you are one of those people...get elected yourself and change that.
Quote:A number of the commissioners were even recalled after the fact however the money still was gone.
Recalling the commissioners is a start.