Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@hawkeye10,

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"free" does not mean retrograde.

That's an evasion. You need to define "freedom" not me. I'm not into bat for freedom. Nor slippery, high sounding words either.

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@BillRM,

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An there are one hell of a lot of new guns owners thanks to the best weapon sale person in history Obama.

I wonder if that teenager, who killed the three children, a woman and a men in Albuquerque yesterday, bought the "numerous guns" and the "military style rifle" recently or got them earlier ....

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@BillRM,

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It was your government agents going around and doing such things as using marines to seized, in the middle of the night, the community gun power supply from Williamsburg and then trying to seized weapons from Concord that resulted in our breaking away from the mother country in the first place.

I'm looking forward to the happy day when a sizeable majority of Americans realise how damaging it is to hang onto policies which were designed for two and a half centuries in the past, and which only serve to confuse the feeble-minded nowadays.

And then act on the realisation.

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@McTag,

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I'm looking forward to the happy day when a sizeable majority of Americans realise how damaging it is to hang onto policies which were designed for two and a half centuries in the past, and which only serve to confuse the feeble-minded nowadays.

Human nature had not change a bit in the last few thousands years let along a few centuries.

Having the power of 300 millions plus firearms in private hands is still a useful safeguard against the government going insane as happen in the center of Europe in the lives times of people still walking around with tattoo numbers on their arms.

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@hawkeye10,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5231796)
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How can the argument that more guns = less violence possibly be made?

"swift and sure massive retaliation works to modify human behavior" has become the backbone theory of or "justice" system.....so the argument can not be reasonably laughed off in the gun debate.

I certainly do not "laugh it off", Hawk. I am amazed that people keep making the argument in the face of the facts, but I do not laugh it off.

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edit: i am not supporting the above argument, I am only pointing out that it must be addressed with facts and reasoning.

I understand. I just do not see how anyone expects "more guns" to solve the problem being discussed here...which often reduces to "there are too many guns in play."

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@BillRM,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5231814)
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Who is that "we" you keep using, Bill? Are you speaking for all of us; some of us; the majority of us...or for yourself with projection?

That how the US government was set up from the first including the demands of the states and the people that the first ten amendments needed to be added at once to the constitution.

Read the founding fathers and their concerns.

It is build into our culture from the very beginning.

I have always thought that "WE" are the government? That is what I thought the founding fathers meant when they used the word "we."

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@Frank Apisa,

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I have always thought that "WE" are the government? That is what I thought the founding fathers meant when they used the word "we."

An they build in all kinds of safe guards to keep it that way including the second amendment as they did not trust the people that might come into power in the future.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I have always thought that "WE" are the government?

even in spite of all of the recent evidence that government has become fully a "pay to play" outfit which has little concern for the greater good or fulfilling many of its mandates (responsible leadership, building a better america, looking out for the best interests of the children and follow on generations), you still believe that??

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@BillRM,

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so in your sense there is no such thing as a free human.

Somebody committing suicide is free I guess. But even the hermitest hermit is not free of his biology. Nor from intruders.

Why don't you, like McGentrix, be honest and just say you like guns. Bringing in freedom to defend your position is ludicrous. We in the UK are free of your rates of violence. Hopefully forever. We value that relative freedom even if you don't. Even our cops don't want to be armed in the normal course of their duties. That's because they suspect that there would be more dead cops if they were to be.

Referring to the rates of violence we do have is beside the point.

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@BillRM,

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Human nature had not change a bit in the last few thousands years let along a few centuries.

It has. It used to drink from streams and ponds and now it whinges about the size of soda containers and the temperature of the beer.

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@spendius,

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We in the UK are free of your rates of violence. Hopefully forever. We value that relative freedom even if you don't. Even our cops don't want to be armed in the normal course of their duties. That's because they suspect that there would be more dead cops if they were to be.

You have a 'free" government at the moment without the safe guards of having a written bill of rights or armed citizens so hopefully you will not find yourself in the position of the free Germans of 1933 when a leader assuming emergency powers.

Footnote your free people government was more then willing to locked up people and throw away the keys without trials in Ireland along with torture and so on. Why do you think that you would be free from that happening in the UK if the government felt it would be needed?

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@BillRM,

Depends on whether or not we have nuclear weapons shows on the weekend.
I forgot, it's all Obama's fault. Do you realize you are only proving Spendius' points in his earlier post?

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@IRFRANK,

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Depends on whether or not we have nuclear weapons shows on the weekend.

LOL

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@jcboy,

What makes it even worse is the lowering of recruitment standards in the US Military because resources have been drained by a stupid war and a not so stupid one has meant blind eyes have been turned to white supremacists with criminal convictions - so they are actually training soldiers who are members extreme right wing paramilitary groups:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/31/us-army-racism-iraq-afghanistan

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@hingehead,

You always seem to share good information. Wink

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@hingehead,

Interesting number this UK newspaper did and one wonder off hand about the UK military recruiting that was not cover.

In anyway a wavier for being over weight seem minor given that the weight is not likely to survive basic training and a GED is or should be regarded as the same as a high school diploma and minor teenage crimes should not end a person future and so on.

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@BillRM,

I just watched the interviews on the field and the scenes in the 49ers locker room and I cannot help wondering if your dental regulations allow anybody to have teeth which are uneven, irregularly spaced or not as white as a freshly made snowdrift.

It was Louis Armstrong who taught us Limeys to laugh at perfectly formed teeth. Especially during smiling operations.

I wouldn't dare laugh if I had teeth which conformed to the US Dental Hygiene Executive Order. Do you need to wear sunglasses at jolly parties?

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@spendius,

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Do you need to wear sunglasses at jolly parties?

I never been to one of them parties but I heard that most of the women take out their false teeth to make the party jolly.

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@reasoning logic,

I was trying to be serious rl.

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@spendius,

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I was trying to be serious rl.

Really?

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I wouldn't dare laugh if I had teeth which conformed to the US Dental Hygiene Executive Order. Do you need to wear sunglasses at jolly parties?

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