Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@hawkeye10,

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Re: spendius (Post 5231745)
the thing I find most interesting is that the A2K liberals present the notion that less guns is the one and only solution to gun violence, but it is not at all clear that their peers, the American people, even considerate it the best let alone only solution. Many do believe that more guns is a better solution.

I'm not a liberal, but I do not think most liberals are saying less guns is the one and only solution to gun violence. Not even close.

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Liberals need to back up and deal with this argument.

I am not a liberal, but allow me to "back up and deal with it."

I think the notion that MORE guns is a better solution is so absurd that it is difficult to deal with in a reasonable way.

We Americans already have more guns per persons in the world...and we have one of the most violent societies in the world.

How can the argument that more guns = less violence possibly be made?

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condescending sneering is not dealing with the argument, which is all that I have seen on this anywhere but on fox.

What is the basis for the argument? What is the empirical evidence that more guns means less violence?

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@hawkeye10,

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Many do believe that more guns is a better solution.

Liberals need to back up and deal with this argument.

Yes--I can understand that with the ever increasing number of guns. We serfs in the UK prefer to take our chances with a small number of illegal guns than in having 60,000,000 knocking around.

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@hawkeye10,

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do you also remember me saying that for a long time the feminists were successful in keeping science away from sexual power issues through the use of political power? firefly and others berated me for allegedly spouting nonsense.... I think that earned me a few "guy in the tin foil hat" pics

Feminists can't afford science looking into their agenda. They recognised that when the tin-foil hat was their only argument.

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@spendius,

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We serfs in the UK prefer to take our chances with a small number of illegal guns than in having 60,000,000 knocking around.

It was your government agents going around and doing such things as using marines to seized, in the middle of the night, the community gun power supply from Williamsburg and then trying to seized weapons from Concord that resulted in our breaking away from the mother country in the first place.

We do not trust governments including ours and we learn that distrust from your nation first.

After all Englishmen with the full right of Englishmen were treated like serfs in the colonies.

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@BillRM,

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We do not trust governments including ours and we learn that distrust from your nation first.

Who is that "we" you keep using, Bill? Are you speaking for all of us; some of us; the majority of us...or for yourself with projection?

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@BillRM,

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It was your government going around and doing such things as using marines to seized, in the middle of the night, the community gun power supply from Williamsburg and then trying to seized weapons from Concord that resulted in our breaking away from the mother country in the first place.

What an inordinately silly thing to say that is Bill.

If you don't trust your government why do you have one?

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@Frank Apisa,

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How can the argument that more guns = less violence possibly be made?

"swift and sure massive retaliation works to modify human behavior" has become the backbone theory of or "justice" system.....so the argument can not be reasonably laughed off in the gun debate.

edit: i am not supporting the above argument, I am only pointing out that it must be addressed with facts and reasoning.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Who is that "we" you keep using, Bill? Are you speaking for all of us; some of us; the majority of us...or for yourself with projection?

That how the US government was set up from the first including the demands of the states and the people that the first ten amendments needed to be added at once to the constitution.

Read the founding fathers and their concerns.

It is build into our culture from the very beginning.

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@spendius,

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What an inordinately silly thing to say that is Bill.

If you don't trust your government why do you have one?

A government is a necessary evil and can be a useful servant and is always a **** poor master.

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@BillRM,

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A government ........... is always a **** poor master.

didn't we have a revolutionary war a couple hundred years back, making exactly this point? I seem to recall hearing something bout this!

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@BillRM,

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A government is a necessary evil and can be a useful servant and is always a **** poor master.

But how are free people to be prevented from doing what they want to do?

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@spendius,

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But how are free people to be prevented from doing what they want to do?

A free people?

All societies are make up of power groups and all freedoms are relativity hell in New York the free people can not order the size of the soda containers they might wish to and this was done by a government board that does not even answer to the people.

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@spendius,

I'm just glad that the founding fathers didn't include an amendment giving the right to nuclear weapons.

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@BillRM,

I can't see a really free person having the slightest interest in the size of soda containers. They couldn't as they wouldn't know what soda is. They would drink from streams and ponds.

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Did anyone notice the five people that were wounded this last Saturday at gun shows? I guess there weren't enough good guys to protect the stupid.

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@spendius,

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I can't see a really free person having the slightest interest in the size of soda containers. They couldn't as they wouldn't know what soda is. They would drink from streams and ponds.

"free" does not mean retrograde.

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@IRFRANK,

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I'm just glad that the founding fathers didn't include an amendment giving the right to nuclear weapons.

So you are of the opinion that the average American is a greater dangerous with nuclear weapons then Kim Jong?.......... Drunk

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@IRFRANK,

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I'm just glad that the founding fathers didn't include an amendment giving the right to nuclear weapons.

But they gave the right to empty the propellant from 10,000 rounds of ammo into a metal box. At 1 oz per shell that would add up to about 600 pounds of H.E.

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@spendius,

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I can't see a really free person having the slightest interest in the size of soda containers. They couldn't as they wouldn't know what soda is. They would drink from streams and ponds.

Sorry from the very beginning even before we was human we were pack animals and therefore under the rules of the pack so in your sense there is no such thing as a free human.

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@IRFRANK,

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Did anyone notice the five people that were wounded this last Saturday at gun shows? I guess there weren't enough good guys to protect the stupid.

It been cover why do you not read the threads?

An there are one hell of a lot of new guns owners thanks to the best weapon sale person in history Obama.

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