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@Frank Apisa,

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Anyway, like I said: If you truly think guns and knives are equal as killing devices...just show up at a gun fight with a knife. The other participants will love ya for it!

So I should turn to a weapon that I am not train on in order to prove a point?

In any ,for myself if anyone pull a knife on me at close range I would be more concern then if they had pull a gun and I do not consider a firearm in all situations to be the most deadly weapon possible even it you do.

Oh, if you wish to know how deadly the police think a knife happen to be try pulling one out on them.

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@Frank Apisa,

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@BillRM,

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Anyway, like I said: If you truly think guns and knives are equal as killing devices...just show up at a gun fight with a knife. The other participants will love ya for it!

So I should turn to a weapon that I am not train on in order to prove a point?

Nope. I think you should grow up and be man enough to acknowledge that there is a considerable difference between the dangers of a gun and a knife.

I am totally willing to acknowledge that someone stabbing a person with a knife and someone shooting someone with a knife will both normally result in a dead person...and to the dead person, it really doesn't make a difference if the weapon was a gun or a knife.

But to suppose because that is true...that guns and knives are equals in killing power is an absurdity.

But I can see that you are apparently unable to realize that...or if you are, you do not possess enough character to acknowledge it.

A question, if I may, Bill: Which is it...that you do not realize it...or that you do not have the strength of character to acknowledge it?

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@Frank Apisa,

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Anyway, like I said: If you truly think guns and knives are equal as killing devices...just show up at a gun fight with a knife. The other participants will love ya for it!

Ok I will show up with a combat knife in my hand and you with a gun the most deadly weapon mankind ever had come up with in your opinion in your pocket and at ten feet we will go for it!!!!!!!!!!

Should get many many hits of youtube..................to help pay for your funeral Laughing

You might also try pulling a knife out on some cops to see how they view the danger of knives.

The below mythbusters video confirm the 15 feet deadly range of a knife attack to a person with a gun that I always hear about.

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@BillRM,

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Anyway, like I said: If you truly think guns and knives are equal as killing devices...just show up at a gun fight with a knife. The other participants will love ya for it!

Ok I will show up with a combat knife in my hand and you with a gun the most deadly weapon mankind ever had come up with in your opinion ion your pocket and at ten feet we will go for it!!!!!!!!!!

One, I am never going to show up at a gun fight...and I doubt anybody at a gun fight is going to keep his gun in his pocket.

You really do try to stretch so that you do not have to acknowledge the obvious, don't you, Bill.

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Should get many many hits of youtube..................to help pay for your funeral

Now that's more like it. More like a guy who wants to do some killing.
You might also try pulling a knife out on some cops to see how they view the danger of knives.

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The below mythbusters video confirm the 15 feet deadly range of a knife attack to a person with a gun that I always hear about.

Yeah. But why all the restrictions and qualifications? A gun is more deadly than a knife...for certain.

And if you don't think so...just show up at a gun fight with a knife.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I doubt anybody at a gun fight is going to keep his gun in his pocket.

Most people who are attack do not know ahead of time that the attack will occur with or without a gun.

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A gun is more deadly than a knife...for certain.

Not at close range a gun is not..............at least in my opinion and even firearm self defense instructors opinions for that matter that I had talked to over the years.

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@BillRM,

Bill likes to carry his silly arguments out to false conclusions. I sure wouldnt want to be the guy with a knife , I wouldnt wait for someone to say "READY< SET< GO".
Reminds me of that scene in the first Indiana Jones movie where the BEdou is twirling his big Kris and Jones just blows him away

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@BillRM,

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Most people who are attack do not know ahead of time that the attack will occur with or without a gun.

In which case the self defence argument looks a bit flimsy.

Which then raises the fetish argument and the business proposition argument in to prominence.

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@farmerman,

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Bill likes to carry his silly arguments out to false conclusions. I sure wouldnt want to be the guy with a knife , I wouldnt wait for someone to say "READY< SET< GO".
Reminds me of that scene in the first Indiana Jones movie where the BEdou is twirling his big Kris and Jones just blows him away

Movies are not real life and any self defense expert will tell you that a man with a knife within 15 feet or so of someone with gun is a deadly threat to the man with the gun.

That why police are train to open fire at anyone threating them with a knife that is anywhere near that distance from them.

But then guns are magical evil and all powerful tools of murder and by the way Farmerman you never did address my question to you of if with your knowledge and access to materials could or could not take out a school or such without using a firearm of any type.

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@BillRM,

No one is saying a knife is not a threat!

We are saying that your suggestion that there is no difference between the killing threat of a knife and the threat of a gun is absurd...particularly in the context of what is being discussed in this thread.

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@BillRM,

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Movies are not real life and any self defense expert will tell you that a man with a knife within 15 feet or so of someone with gun is a deadly threat to the man with the gun

Your argument is silly and so what? Werehaving a discussion that is focused on this terrible shooting and you come up with another one of your points that you will draaaaag on for pages.
Why not just shut up and lets move on cause youre not doing a hellova job convincing anyone about anything here.

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address my question to you of if with your knowledge and access to materials could or could not take out a school or such without using a firearm of any type

Yes I can make explosives the explosives bullshit on the internet wont make you anything but a statistic if you carefully follow recipes. Whats the point of this anyway?? Im sane so I wouldnt think of bombing anything . The KILLINGS at schools is predominantly done by firearms and and all the street killings and drive bys also.

You'd rather people be lobbing IED's at each other??
Sometimes you get off on one of your tangents and think that youre making sense when youre not.

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@Frank Apisa,

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No one is saying a knife is not a threat!

Calm down Frank we don't need you having a heart attack. Wink

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@Frank Apisa,

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We are saying that your suggestion that there is no difference between the killing threat of a knife and the threat of a gun is absurd...particularly in the context of what is being discussed in this thread.

Once more there is nothing magical about firearms they have their strength and weaknesses just like any other object mankind had come up with to kill each other.

An once more they are not the best tools for mass murders and that had been proven in real life over and over again with far greater bodies counts resulting per attacks from such things as home make explosives and even a few dollars worth of gasoline.

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@reasoning logic,

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No one is saying a knife is not a threat!

Calm down Frank we don't need you having a heart attack.

Good advice. I think I'll take a B12. Wink

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@BillRM,

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We are saying that your suggestion that there is no difference between the killing threat of a knife and the threat of a gun is absurd...particularly in the context of what is being discussed in this thread.

Once more there is nothing magical about firearms they have their strength and weaknesses just like any other object mankind had come up with to kill each other.

An once more they are not the best tools for mass murders and that had been proven in real life over and over again with far greater bodies counts resulting per attacks from such things as home make explosives and even a few dollars worth of gasoline.

Once more I have to mention that there must be two people posting under this one name. This last post was lucid and well constructed...while the earlier one looks like it was written by a third-grader.

What is going on????

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@Frank Apisa,

Ahhh...maybe not well constructed...but at least not anywhere near as horrible as that earlier one.

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@farmerman,

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Im sane so I wouldnt think of bombing anything

So is the vast majority of the half of the nation adults that own firearms!!!!!!!

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The KILLINGS at schools is predominantly done by firearms and and all the street killings and drive bys also.

However mass killings by firearms had been proven to be not the most effective means of mass killings and the most bodies counts have occur when other means beside firearms happen to be use. Including school killings.

As far as drive by killings the death total by all long guns in a nation of 300 millions run around 300 a year drive by shotting or mass murders include.

What is driving the drive by killings in large part is our so call war on drug not long guns being available and violence gun or otherwise violence could be cut in half or more by doing what we did in the late 1930s with alcohol and end this so call war on drugs.

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@oralloy,

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Does that make the victims any less dead?

No, but it does make your argument even stupider.

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I guess the police don't have guns for the purpose of defending against people who attack them? The real purpose of their guns is so the police can carry out summary executions?

When an officer fires his weapon, he fires to kill. He doesn't fire to hit an Olympic target. He doesn't fire to wing a person.

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@BillRM,

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In crowds or a subway car and such where the average distant between people are small and the clear firing lanes are not there the firearm had lost most of it advantages.

Are you now saying that it would be hard for a person with a gun to stop a bad guy because of the crowds of innocent people?

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@BillRM,

Let's look at the reverse of that video Bill...
In the video, they are able to get their gun out and shoot the person with the knife before the attacker gets to them.
If the attacker has a gun, and the other person has a knife. At no time will the knife wielding person win because they would have to get their knife out and run at the gun wielding person.

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