Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

Those were law abiding gun owners Frank.
Surely the bullets couldn't travel that far. We've been told how weak AK-47s are.

Interesting story and thank god no one was harm and in a way it kind of remain me of when the myth-busters home make cannon ended up firing a cannon ball clear through one home and bouncing off the roof of another home and into a park van.

Kind of serous property damage even if no criminal charges was file perhaps partly due to the cannon being fired at a police bomb site.

To say nothing of cannon balls fired by a TV show...........

Beside assault rifles and TV cannons we also need to outlaw golf clubs.


http://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/28/us/boy-10-killed-by-a-golf-ball.html

Boy, 10, Killed by a Golf Ball
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Published: November 28, 1989
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A 10-year-old boy who was struck in the head by a golf ball has died of his injuries. The boy, Richard Wayne Perry of Fairhope, was struck in the head Friday when a golfer teed off at the Quail Creek Golf Course, Sgt. Thomas Garrick of the Fairhope police said. The boy died Saturday at University of South Alabama Medical Center, a hospital spokesman said today

When a gun rights supporter has to post a 23 year old story about someone being killed with a golf ball, because he can't acknowledge the current problem of gun violence in our country, it's clear that he, and the other "gun rights" extremists posting here, are not part of any meaningful discussion of the topic. Fortunately, such absurd responses do not reflect the thinking of most responsible gun owners, or the majority of most Americans, who not only recognize the problem, they want to see meaningful steps taken to address it.

I think we should start posting some of the many shootings that are taking place daily. Gun violence isn't a hypothetical issue, it's going on all the time in this country.

It was just luck that the children in the home escaped being hit when the home was sprayed with bullets. Can you imagine what it's like for children to grow up in the midst of such gun violence?

Sound like a drug house to me Firefly and it likely drugs violence not gun violence and those wonderful people are going to be armed no matter what the hell the laws happen to be see the situation in Mexico for an example of that fact.

Of course ending the so call war on drugs would be helpful in reducing such violence but we are not going to do that as somehow our anti-drugs laws will start working at any time now.

Keep proving you can't deal with reality. For one thing you don't live in Mexico.

Gun violence is gun violence, whether related to drugs or not. And the news story makes no mention of drugs, and cites an entirely different reason for the altercation, so you are spinning fictional narratives that you seem to think take the onus off guns and distracts from the fact that three unarmed people were shot, and a home in which children were sleeping was sprayed with bullets from a semi-automatic rifle. And it was just luck that those children were not wounded or killed.

You are very much like the mother of the serial killer who asserts, "But he's such a good boy!" When confronted with the reality of gun violence, you turn a blind eye and chant, "But they're such good guns!" You and that mother both wind up sounding absurd.

It a high crime and drug area of that city like all US major cities happen to sadly have.

An unlike Mexico our guns laws will be able to disarmed the drug gangs on our side of the border just as our laws had been able to stop the drug trade in the US.

By the way Firefly would you care to bet a few thousands that those gentlemen shotting up the house in question was not in the drug trade and therefore not likely to obey any gun laws that are on the books.


http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/North_America/United_States_of_America/Texas/Dallas-876982/Warnings_or_Dangers-Dallas-Areas_to_Avoid_Crime-BR-2.html

Areas to avoid in Dallas
by govnor Written Oct 30, 2010 1 reviews
It's interesting that people are describing others as racist for pointing out the bad parts of town. No, we're not racist, the bad parts are the bad parts I don't care what race the people are that occupy them. I drive all over the Dallas area and I know where the bad areas are. Most people have pointed out Oak Cliff, South Dallas and North Dallas around Skillman and I-635. For the most part this is correct. Anywhere that you see a lot of working class apartments in big D are places to avoid. It's unfortunate and it wasn't always this way, but many of those are now section 8 properties. I wouldn't recommend walking around most parts of the city because you could be in a good area and run into the ghetto in a short time.

Oak Cliff has some really cool stuff, interesting historic architecture and some great restaurants. The area to go to is called the Bishop Arts District and the immediately surrounding area. That is a good area, but I would not walk around much outside of that area, especially alone. The rest of Oak Cliff is hit or miss. There are some good neighborhoods in the north around Stephens Park. Once you get deep in the neighborhoods there is nothing to see outside of the historic areas. East of I-35 should be avoided. That is also where the Dallas Zoo is located. If you're going to the zoo, go there by car and do not walk around the neighborhoods surrounding it.

Oak Lawn: This area is recently gentrified and is known for gay bars, shopping and restaurants. The area where the bars are is safe to walk around. Do not venture into the surrounding neighborhoods on foot, however. There is a reason that the high end houses have large fences and gates surrounding them. If you go, make sure to park in a well lit area close to where you are going to be. Like most of Dallas, you will see bums, prostitutes and druggies at some point. This area is known to have drugs, so keep that in mind if you plan to walk around.

Fair Park: The Fair Park complex itself is okay and there are some things to see year round. It is also kid friendly with the Science Place and an aquarium. You can park on the property, but sometimes it's pay only, which is worth every penny. Do not venture into the surrounding neighborhoods on foot. Directly across from Fair Park on the North side is a small section of bars and restaurants which is safe. This includes the area where New Amsterdam bar is but it is only about a one block area. I recommend going to this area for night life since it is really laid back. By car directly north of this area is Deep Ellum. This is a cool, historic area with some bohemian type bars and restaurants, tattoo parlors and the like. It was very scary for the last three years or so until last year. This area is now pretty safe, but I would only advise going by car, parking near where you're going to be and leaving by car. During the day it is okay to walk around the populated areas, but not by night since the ghettos are within walking distance. The area where Trees is located is okay to walk around at night, but only where you see other people around. Steer clear of alleyways and watch for people approaching you that you do not know.

From Fair Park directly South, East and West are areas to avoid. You can drive around during the day to look at architecture, but I would not walk. Dallas has beautiful art deco buildings, but unfortunately, most are in bad areas.

Lower Greenville Avenue/Lowest Greenville Avenue: Lower Greenville directly south of Mockingbird has some nice areas, cool houses and restaurants/bars. This is a short drive from Deep Ellum. It's okay to walk around during the day, but even though the houses are big and nice, I do not recommend it at night unless you know your way around. There have been a lot of robberies at gunpoint in recent years. Lowest Greenville is best to be avoided these days. It has been taken over by gang bangers. It used to be the place to be, but no more. During the day is fine (and there are some good restaurants), but not after dark. This includes all of the area directly surrounding Taco Cabana. Very close to the West of this is the Knox/Henderson area. Henderson Street turns into Knox when you cross I-75. Walking around near the bars/restaurants is fine during the day and walking around Knox Street is fine even at night. Henderson bars should be driven to and walking only around the populated areas at night. This is a cool area, but there are a lot of ghetto apartments on the south side.

There really isn't much reason for going to North Dallas except for the Galleria mall. If you go there, you should go by car and not walk around the surrounding area. Also note that Dart buses run through the Dallas area, so you can ride on those, but they do not run very late at night. If you get caught somewhere late, there are a lot of cab companies in Dallas.

Old East Dallas: The Lakewood area has some bohemian bars and restaurants and beautiful architecture. I would avoid walking the neighborhoods at night, but during the day it isn't that bad. The bottom line is not to do much walking around unless it's an area where you see a lot of other people. You can also find yourself in a bad neighborhood quickly at any point.

Other areas of interest: Downtown Grapevine and Southlake are safe at all hours and have good shopping and restaurants. Grapevine has some good architecture. These towns are near DFW airport. Plano and Mckinney to the North of Dallas are also safe. East Plano has some bad areas, but not terrible. Arlington (where Cowboy stadium, 6 Flags and Texas Rangers ballpark is located) is similar to Dallas. There are a lot of bad areas and it is best to get around by car. Waxahachie, which is 30 minutes South of Dallas has beautiful Victorian homes and an old downtown. It is safe to walk around as long as you avoid Martin Luther King Junior Blvd.

And that's why the mayors of so many cities have joined Mayors Against Illegal Guns and are now coming out in support of President Obama's new proposals to confront and curb gun violence.

Our urban areas are often awash in illegal guns brought in from outside their areas, guns which can be easily legally purchased elsewhere, by straw purchasers, and resold on the streets for profit, at little risk to the seller because of the minimal penalties involved. Universal background checks, considerably stiffer criminal penalties for those who illegally re-sell weapons, and better federal anti-gun-trafficking measures, are only some of the proposed gun control options that would help to address the gun violence problem in our urban areas.

The issue is gun violence. Gun violence in the cities, gun violence in the suburbs, gun violence in our rural areas. And a majority of Americans, and gun owners, now want stricter gun control laws to help curb that gun violence. You're not part of the discussion of the problem, you still believe you can deny or minimize it, or bring up issues to distract from it, which foolishness is reflected in most of your posts.

So you are once more under the impression that harsh criminal punishments will solve the problem even those that theory had never been proven correct to date.

Let see you could get decades to life for selling very small amounts of drugs in New York State in the 1970s and it did not even slow down the drug trade in that state but it did full up the prisons.

Billions on top of billions fueling the arm drug gangs and you are going to disarmed them with harsher firearm punishments?

Even you know that not true................

Hell there is so must money in the drug trades that people are building real submarines to bring in the drugs so come on those groups will be armed no matter what.

Since harsh criminal penalties won't solve the problem Bill, what do you suggest?

It seems the only solution if laws won't work is to simply ban all guns.

You did hear on this thread about the constitution 2 amendment not to mention the idea of turning over a 150 millions of us into criminals might cause a little problem.

For myself I would consider a government that try your suggestion to be an illegal government on it face that need to be overthrown at whatever cost.

Another of the totally needless shooting incidents, that happen all too frequently, and contribute to the gun violence problem, because hotheads walk around armed and impulsively reach for their guns when their tempers flare.


Without having a handy loaded gun, this incident would not have happened. The shooter was very much aware of having that weapon and was thinking about using it to escalate a simple verbal argument into a lethal encounter.

That's the mentality a culture of gun violence spawns--don't argue, don't withdraw from a confrontation, just use your gun. And the thinking, that you have a bullet for everybody on the train, is truly chilling. This is why innocent bystanders often get shot.

So a knife Firefly would not work for some reason only a gun?

Excellent! That's it! Civil war because someone might take your toys away!

No, it doesn't turn every gun owner into a criminal. It only turns those that refuse to comply with the law into a criminal.

For instance: Let's say 30 or more round magazines require yearly licensing and a yearly tax. Those people that pay the tax and get the license won't be criminals. Those people that sell their items so they no longer have them won't be criminals. Those gun owners that don't have them now and don't get them in the future won't be criminals. That would mean a very small number of those 150 million would turn themselves into criminals. Your only argument is an extreme one that all 150 million would be criminals. That certainly won't happen.

Good job Bill... You didn't have to go back 20 years to find a knife attack. Of course we don't have any knife attacks that killed 20 people in the last 20 years.

Damn right a government that would disobey it very foundation document under which the country was created is an illegal government and should be overthrown and a legal government put back in it place.

The comment was banning all guns and any US government that try that is an illegal government on it face however any lesser action can likely wait for the courts and the voters to deal with.

You are aware that we live in a country of laws, aren't you. We don't "overthrow" our government, we vote them in and out of office. It's not 1776, it's 2013. And sensible gun control measures, such as the President's proposals, do not threaten Second Amendment rights.

And, since you feel there are no proposed legal remedies which should be tried to help curb the problem with gun violence, a problem you continue to deny, or minimize, or try to distract from, you are removing yourself from a rational discussion of the issue. The logical extension of your thinking would be a gun ban, since you keep saying nothing else will work to curb gun violence.

Those who do recognize the problem, which now includes a majority of Americans, and gun owners, are now letting their elected representatives know that they want to see stricter gun control measures. And, if such measures are not discussed and acted on, these office holders may find themselves booted out. While there are no perfect solutions, or perfect laws, to confront the gun violence problem in our country, passivity in the face of it is no longer an acceptable option for most people. You are simply not part of the search for solutions, you're not even a part of the discussion.