Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

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@oralloy,

How come you post so many pics? Do you think that other people do not take your views on guns serious or something?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

How come you post so many pics?

I don't post all that many.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Do you think that other people do not take your views on guns serious or something?

Never gave it thought before. But no one can point out any flaws in my position. And I am backed by both the full force of the NRA and the full force of the US Supreme Court.

It doesn't really matter if people don't like what I say. Reality is reality, and there is nothing they can do about it.

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@oralloy,

I did not ask you about any of that....And even after you said you never gave it much thought...you just deflected my question....And did not give it a real answer...

Let me try to rephrase my questions....I am not questioning your freedom to post pictures of guns....Or freedoms...

I am directly asking you....Do you think that other people take you serious about guns? Or do you post the pictures, because you think that other people do not take you serious? And you directly want them too?

In other words....In your own opinions....Do you think that other people do not understand that you vehemently back the free rights of guns?

In your own opinions...Do you think that they read what you say...And see the pictures, and think you are bullshitting them or something? About the fact you have guns...? Because it is a free law, but you would agree that not every American has one? Just because they could or do not have too...And you chose too...? Or do you believe that other people think you are lying about owning guns?

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@oralloy,

I would like to ask you some other questions as well....It is a bit off topic...But I am interested....But you do not have to answer this question if you are not interested....Do you have a faith of any kind? If you do, would you mind sharing what view you have? And if you are an atheist, or agnostic...that is cool too....

Do you mind sharing what religion or lack of religion you may be?

I am just curious....

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@oralloy,

And just a few more questions about it...Then we can change the subject because this is not a religious or philosophical discussion...

But if you have a faith....Can you just briefly explain (in your own opinions) why you think that whatever God you embrace would want you to have guns? Do you think the hell with this God, it is my right to have them?

Thanks so much....

I just want to hear your answers then I will drop it...

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@oralloy,

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Your childish insults are a poor substitute for a well-thought-out argument based on facts.

My insults, deliberately childish because of their intended target, are to keep you on your mettle and to point out to you and your fellow dinosaurs the ridiculousness of your position.

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@oralloy,

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spendius wrote:

Let's hear it oralloy--Are you in favour of gun ownership being dependent on providing a DNA sample?

No. Unconstitutional.

Surely such a technique is no more than an improved background check? The renewal of funding for the CDC, which the NRA had reduced to peanuts for obvious reasons, is likely heading in that direction.

If the requirement of a DNA sample is unconstitutional then why are not all background checks? Is science unconstitutional?

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@oralloy,

I would feel sorry for an attacker that decided that he could take a firearm away from my wife and if it was the riot shotgun it would be a real task cleaning up the mess of his body fluids and tissues all over the walls and floors.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Why would she have to use a gun against anyone, if there were no guns to be used against her?

The only reason a person would have to use a gun like that...Is for fear of another gun, Or certainty another is going to use a gun against her...

You got to be kidding me that you think that most men could not beat to death most women in short order even without any kind of a weapon!!!!!!!!

Less alone raping her before killing her.

If my wife would find someone had broken into our home I would expect her to order him to freeze and if he did not and came toward her to put him down at once.

She would be in more then reasonable fear for her life or having great harm done to her by such an home intruder that would come toward her after being warn.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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But if you have a faith....Can you just briefly explain (in your own opinions) why you think that whatever God you embrace would want you to have guns? Do you think the hell with this God, it is my right to have them?

Are we talking about the Christian god that the bible tell us order whole peoples put to the sword for the crime of living on lands that he had given to his chosen people?

He is ok with swords but would not be with firearms?

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

parados wrote:

Guns kill 30,000 people

What an idiotic comparison Bill.

It seems unlikely, Parados.
What is the source of that alleged statistic??

Alleged statistic?
www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/deaths_2010_release.pdf

19,372 - firearm suicides
11,078 - firearm assaults
606 - accidental shooting deaths
252 - undetermined intent shooting deaths

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@BillRM,

You want to take care Bill. Dwelling upon such subjects is really not good for you. Anxiety continually feeding on itself and constructing more and more gruesome scenarios is tough on the nerves.

It's actually just a marketing ploy as I explained and which, with 300 million guns in circulation, has gone critical. There is now only one way to prevent it becoming 400 million. And then 5oo million. Every home a bunker. The fear passed through the generations. Everybody permanently on guard.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

So having trees in living rooms for a few weeks a year is worth four human lives a year so the value of four humans seem to be petty small in your eyes so how many not all that valuable humans lives can we loss to keep out guns in your opinion?

When people start killing each other with Christmas trees, then we can have a discussion on their safety.

The purpose of a Christmas tree has nothing to do with killing.
The purpose of a gun is to kill.

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@spendius,

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Every home a bunker. The fear passed through the generations. Everybody permanently on guard.

Nonsense as the US had always been a heavily armed society even before the US came into being.

However the anti guns nuts desire to change that by government power had done a wonderful job of increasing the sale of firearms.

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@BillRM,

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Re: oralloy (Post 5229839)
I would feel sorry for an attacker that decided that he could take a firearm away from my wife and if it was the riot shotgun it would be a real task cleaning up the mess of his body fluids and tissues all over the walls and floors.

Perhaps you are correct...and I hope it never comes to that.

But the fact is that statistics show that it is much more likely that a homeowner with a gun will kill a family member than an intruder.

That is the reason for some of the arguments being made which you dismiss so easily.

I understand where you are coming from...I understand where all the gun advocates are coming from, but you people have to gain a better appreciation of what bothers and motivates the opposition.

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@Frank Apisa,

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But the fact is that statistics show that it is much more likely that a homeowner with a gun will kill a family member than an intruder.

Both my wife and I had proven over and over that we remain cool under pressure and in the twenty- eight years she had been in my life there had never been violence of any kind between us so once more the chance of any of our weapons harming us or an innocent person is near to zero as it could be.

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Interesting item from yesterday's Medina (Ohio) Gazette:

The charge is a third-degree felony, punishable by up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine, because “the violation created a substantial risk of physical harm to any person or caused serious physical harm to property,” according to Ohio law.

While the men are charged with a felony, Medina County Prosecutor Dean Holman said they are not charged with a “felony of violence,” which would have barred them from possessing firearms if convicted.

Holman said the charges could have been upgraded if the men intentionally had fired into a home.

Montville police said the two men were in Bornino’s backyard firing an AK-47 assault rifle and other guns at paper targets without a backstop. The bullets traveled over a wooded area, striking the homes about a third of a mile away, reports said.

“I don’t believe the homes were visible,” Holman said. “These bullets, they cover such a far distance.”

Holman said the investigation is not complete and additional charges are possible.

Both men were released Thursday from Medina County Jail on $25,000 bond each. Neither could be reached for comment.

Reports of bullets striking the homes sent Montville police rushing to the neighborhood.

Recordings of two 911 calls made from a home at 2907 Parnham Drive that was hit twice by bullets were released by police Thursday.

Karrie Kuruc, 28, one homeowner’s daughter, can be heard saying calmly, “It looks like someone shot a bullet, and it went through our house.”

“It went through your house?” the dispatcher asked.

“Yeah, like it went through the outside,” Kuruc said.

Kuruc described how the bullet sounded “like something falling in the sink,” and said she could see a bullet hole in the house. After officers arrived at Kuruc’s home at 2:24 p.m., a second volley of shots went off.

“During the second round of rapid gunfire, an officer reported hearing bullets going over his head and additional 911 calls from both the original calls reported that their houses were being struck again,” Montville police Sgt. Matthew Neil said.

In a second 911 call, Karrie Kuruc told a dispatcher another bullet had pierced the wall and sailed into the kitchen, where it was embedded in a microwave oven.

Neil said officers located and confronted the shooters at gunpoint just as they were firing a third volley.

“Both men were ordered to the ground and taken into custody,” Neil said.
Neil said Bornino and Volpone had been drinking alcohol, but they were “nowhere close to the legal limit.”

Police seized the AK-47 rifle, two high-capacity magazines and three handguns: a 9 mm, 380-caliber and 22-caliber pistols. Also confiscated were 628 rounds of 7.62 mm ammunition for the AK-47 and about 100 cartridges for the pistols.

http://medinagazette.northcoastnow.com/2013/01/18/conviction-would-not-end-gun-ownership-of-montville-twp-suspects/

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@Frank Apisa,

Yeah like this sad story...
61-year-old Rochester man shot his granddaughter at the patio door of his home late Monday night

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