Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@H2O MAN,

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"40% of guns are sold through private sellers." Moreover, the study claims that "these sales—which take place in many venues, including gun shows and, increasingly, on the internet... fuel the black market for illegal guns."

Many parts of this assertion are factually flawed or, at the least, very misleading.
First off, the figure of 40% doesn't represent new guns but guns already in circulation, which are being resold on a secondary basis. The intimation that 40% of new guns are being sold illegally is simply myth-making at best, lying at worst.

Not if you actually listen to what he said. I saw Jim Inhofe mis-repeat this 'new guns' thing right after Obama's speech. He was wrong and so is whoever wrote the above paragraph. Listen. Think. Then Speak.

Where did the President say that the figure of 40% represented anything BUT guns already in circulation?? He didn't. There is no statement that 40% of NEW guns are being sold illegally, there is a statement that 40% of gun sales are made through private sellers without background checks. That would be everything from me vending guns out of the trunk of my car or my garage or you setting up a page or two as a survivalist to sell goods, lethal or otherwise, no questions asked.

We can't have a conversation if only one side is listening.
Joe(read this again, if you still don't get it.)Nation

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@H2O MAN,

A GUN???????

What? The teacher should of had a gun and killed him? Why not no one has guns? And no teacher needs to kill someone with a gun?

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@parados,

Oh, you want to acquire a gun illegally, why didn't you say so?

Idiot!

A private sale between a buyer & seller that reside in the same state is legal.
The exception could be found in liberal blue states, behind enemy lines.

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@Joe Nation,

Joe, If you dig a little deeper you may discover just how old and irrelevant the study Obama used is.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

A GUN???????

What? The teacher should of had a gun and killed him?

Yes and yes. Shoot the mother ****** in the face!

Do you have a problem with this?

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Why not no one has guns? And no teacher needs to kill someone with a gun?

Why don't YOU take the guns out of all criminal hands?

Can YOU do that?

Is anyone attempting to do that?

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Why does the liberal democratic media continue to ignore the daily gun deaths in Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans etc.?

Do they not give a **** about the lives of black Americans?

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When will Obama hold a press conference to show just how concerned he is
with the incredibly high murder rate of black Americans in big blue cities?

Will he invite a bunch of urban thugs to write letters and stand behind him
while he tells a bunch of lies to America?

Does Obama even care about black Americans?
His actions thus far say NO.

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H2O says:

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Why don't YOU take the guns out of all criminal hands?

Can YOU do that?

Is anyone attempting to do that?

Yes, Obama is. You haven't been paying attention again, have you?

That's why his measures include clamping down on gun show sales that don't require background checks, tracking and clamping down on private and internet sales with no background checks, and increased scruting on straw purchases.

Stop telling lies.

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@MontereyJack,

MJ, your lies don't go unnoticed...

Obama is doing NOTHING to take guns out of the hands of criminals.

NOTHING!

You ignore the fact that criminals don't abide by laws and this discredits you.

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There's no way of undermining the self-protection argument whilst 300 million guns are in circulation.

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@spendius,

Really?

I think Obama will tell you that you are wrong.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

SpadeMaster

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The book says more guns in the hands of law abiding Americans equates to less crime committed by criminals.

Well...once the crimes are committed...by definition it means the crime was committed by a criminal, but leaving aside the absurdity of his statement:

If more guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans equates to less crime...and since we have more guns in the hands of "law abiding citizens" than any country...why are we not the country with the least crime?

He can't answer that...and you shouldn't expect him to. You just have to enjoy the dance he is going to perform to skirt the question.

It will be a doozy.

Egad...this forum is fun. Wink

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@BillRM,

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But most were what you folk call "decent, honest, law-abiding Americans"...at least, until they did their slaughter.

?????????????? Most of them was off color to the point people around them knew it and they were not family men.

Really!!!

Then why is that so often people say "the guy was just a normal guy?"

And are you saying that the only "decent, honest, law-abiding Americans"...are family men?

There are people out here who act and talk a hell of a lot more nuts than most of the people who have done these killings, Bill...and you are one of the people saying they and should be allowed to own guns.

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In fact was any of them married or been married for that matter?

I do not know. Do you want to restrict gun ownership only to people who are married or who have been married? Hell, even I would oppose that!

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They were not felons and that is the end point with them being decent and honest.

They were decent, law abiding Americans up until they went on a rampage and killed a bunch of people. Yup. We agree on that. And those are the kind of people you think should be allowed to own guns.

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More mental health treatment programs would likely do more good then any gun control laws.

We agree there.

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After all the two greatest lost of live due to mass killings have nothing to do with firearms.

Here in America the single greatest loss of lives due to mass killings WAS due to firearms. It was called the Civil War.

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One were home make explosives and the other was the use of a few dollars of gasoline.

Not sure what is going on here, Bill...but you normally are much, much, much better at your use of the language. Throughout this particular post...either you have been careless or someone other than you is posting on your account.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

SpadeMaster

He last wrote:
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The book says more guns in the hands of law abiding Americans equates to less crime committed by criminals.

Well...once the crimes are committed...by definition it means the crime was committed by a criminal, but leaving aside the absurdity of his statement:

If more guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans equates to less crime...and since we have more guns in the hands of "law abiding citizens" than any country...why are we not the country with the least crime?

He can't answer that...and you shouldn't expect him to. You just have to enjoy the dance he is going to perform to skirt the question.

It will be a doozy.

Egad...this forum is fun.

We have more guns, but they aren't necessarily in the hands of anyone. Most are locked up at home only to be brought out once in awhile for a cleaning and maybe some target practice.

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@McGentrix,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5229266)
Frank Apisa wrote:

SpadeMaster

He last wrote:
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The book says more guns in the hands of law abiding Americans equates to less crime committed by criminals.

Well...once the crimes are committed...by definition it means the crime was committed by a criminal, but leaving aside the absurdity of his statement:

If more guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans equates to less crime...and since we have more guns in the hands of "law abiding citizens" than any country...why are we not the country with the least crime?

He can't answer that...and you shouldn't expect him to. You just have to enjoy the dance he is going to perform to skirt the question.

It will be a doozy.

Egad...this forum is fun.

We have more guns, but they aren't necessarily in the hands of anyone. Most are locked up at home only to be brought out once in awhile for a cleaning and maybe some target practice.

You are absolutely correct about that, McGentrix, but I wanted to use the wording H2O used out of respect for him.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

We have more guns, but they aren't necessarily in the hands of anyone.
Most are locked up at home only to be brought out once in awhile for a cleaning and maybe some target practice.

That's a fact.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Then why is that so often people say "the guy was just a normal guy?"

Name me one repeat one of the mass murders of late that could be said of repeat give me one name. Oh I am not talking about someone who killed some family members but shooting up the public at random.

I

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do not know. Do you want to restrict gun ownership only to people who are married or who have been married? Hell, even I would oppose that!

I went mental help treatments available to those who show clear signs of needing such.

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Here in America the single greatest loss of lives due to mass killings WAS due to firearms. It was called the Civil War.

You are full of bullshit as the US civil war between levels of governments<states/federal> and have zero to do with mass murders.

Once more the largest two body counts in US history cause by mass murder have nothing to do with firearms of any type and the largest killing of school children in schools in US history have nothing to do with firearms of any type either.

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@H2O MAN,

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McGentrix wrote:

We have more guns, but they aren't necessarily in the hands of anyone.
Most are locked up at home only to be brought out once in awhile for a cleaning and maybe some target practice.

That's a fact.

An yet in one state Florida there are a million citizens now with the legal right to carry arms and that is ten times all the law enforcement members in the state.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Oh, you want to acquire a gun illegally, why didn't you say so?

Idiot!

A private sale between a buyer & seller that reside in the same state is legal.
The exception could be found in liberal blue states, behind enemy lines.

The statement was about internet sales. The internet works inside the state. You aren't restricted to only buying and selling with people outside your state. In fact most people want to see an item before they purchase it.

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6 years ago, I wanted to get an AR-15 style rifle. I was torn between the Colt model and the Bushmaster model m4. I did some research on them and it turned out that the only major difference between them was about $100. Parts were pretty interchangeable and accessories were plenty and abundant.

I kept putting the purchase off until finally it looked like I would no longer be able to make a decision for myself whether to buy or not to buy one. The government looked like it was going to take that decision away from me so I went ahead and bought a Bushmaster m4 a few weeks ago.

Now, why did I want this? Home protection? Nope. I have a Easton baseball bat for that. Hunting? Nope, I have a Marlin lever action .30-.30 and a 20 gauge bolt action shotgun for that. To protect myself from the tyranny of the federal and state govts? Nope. I'm just gonna hope that doesn't happen.

I wanted one because they just look so f'ing cool. That's it. I wanted one because of the way it looks. That should be enough reason though, shouldn't it? As an adult, I should be allowed to make these decisions for myself. But, now, I can't. So, glad I went ahead and did what I did.

I picked up 2 extra 5 round clips so that when I do go target shooting I can control what is happening. I did look for some pre-ban 20 or 30 round clips, but at that point they were impossible to find in NYS.

I am upset by the knee-jerk reactions of the NYS legislature about this whole thing though. I do hope the NRA and others will be putting this through the courts as I do believe my rights are being infringed in this manner.

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