Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@Frank Apisa,

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but it certainly is an idea that might be difficult to implement. Not sure why you think it cannot be done in "the real world"...it most assuredly could be done.

Where are you going to get enough people train to do full bore psychological testing of a 100 millions gun owners but then it could just be a back door means of disarmed most people by making the testing so costly that only a few hundred thousands could afford the testing in the whole nation.

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Does anyone in their right mind think Obama could pass such
a rigorous psychological evaluation and background check?

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@Frank Apisa,

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no more dangerous than other objects found in the home...probably should not be allowed to own a gun. They just are not mature enough for such ownership.

There are at least a 100 millions gun owners and 300 millions guns in half the homes in the nation and the accident rate is a few thousand a year so tell me once more how dangerous owning a gun happen to be!!!!!!!!!!

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@parados,

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Guns kill more than 10 times the people that die from fires.
CDC Faststats -
2010 deaths from smoke, fire, flames - 2,782
deaths from guns - over 30,000

Gun accidents do not kill more then fire a year and half the other gun deaths are suicides and if one means of killing oneself is not there there are many others means.

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@H2O MAN,

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Does anyone in their right mind think Obama could pass such
a rigorous psychological evaluation and background check?

LOL..........

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@BillRM,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5228077)
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but it certainly is an idea that might be difficult to implement. Not sure why you think it cannot be done in "the real world"...it most assuredly could be done.

Where are you going to get enough people train to do full bore psychological testing of a 100 millions gun owners...

You said it could not be done...I said it would be difficult.
Which of us is correct?????

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... but then it could just be a back door means of disarmed most people by making the testing so costly that only a few hundred thousands could afford the testing in the whole nation.

Relatively few people can own mansions the size of Bill Gates' estate. I don't think the 2nd Amendment says anything about ownership of guns having to be cheap enough so that everyone can own one.

My original comment said that despite what the 2nd Amendment may or may not say...not everyone in America is sane enough; careful enough; knowledgeable enough; or temperamentally suited for gun ownership...and some way has to be found to prevent those people from owning or gaining access to guns.

You have a suggestion for a better way to do that?

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@parados,

By the way if you would wish to cut down the death rate by firearms in this nation then stop funding the drug gangs that cause black males to have the leading cause of deaths other black males.

That would do far more to cut down on firearms deaths then all the gun control laws that will ever be placed on the law books.

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@H2O MAN,

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Does anyone in their right mind think Obama could pass such
a rigorous psychological evaluation and background check?

I am in my "right mind", H2O...and I think Barack Obama could easily pass such a check.

I am not so sure about some of the people defending the 2nd Amendment on A2K, however.

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@BillRM,

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no more dangerous than other objects found in the home...probably should not be allowed to own a gun. They just are not mature enough for such ownership.

There are at least a 100 millions gun owners and 300 millions guns in half the homes in the nation and the accident rate is a few thousand a year so tell me once more how dangerous owning a gun happen to be!!!!!!!!!!

Unreasonably danger, it appears. Particularly if the guns are owned by people not suitable for ownership.

Ya know...don't let little kids play with matches!

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@BillRM,

I guess I was under a little bit with my 30,000 number.

BillRM wrote:

Next your figure of 30,000 is way over the true numbers!!!!!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

In 2010 there were 358 deaths involving rifles. Deaths involving the use of pistols in the US that same year totaled 6,009 including suicides

According to the CDC in 2010

The actual deaths by firearms in 2010 was 31,672
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/deaths_2010_release.pdf

If you want to cite wiki, the first thing you should do is check the source.
You can't simply add up the rifles and pistol deaths to get total deaths. You completely ignore the other 3 categories of gun homicide deaths which include 2,400 other gun deaths. Then you forget that homicide doesn't include all gun deaths or even all intentional shooting deaths. Homicide is a list of criminal deaths.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Relatively few people can own mansions the size of Bill Gates' estate. I don't think the 2nd Amendment says anything about ownership of guns having to be cheap enough so that everyone can own one.

So it is a back door attempt to get around the second amendment so only the wealthy and their hire help can be armed.

Sound like you are going for a dictatorship of the top two percents or so similar to what happen to the Roman Republic in it last decades.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Ya know...don't let little kids play with matches!

Yes we are getting a ruling class that view most of us as children that can not even be trusted to decide what size soda containers to buy let alone firearms and soon the right to vote.

I always been a fan of Hamilton more then Jefferson but Jefferson might had been right about needing rebellion and new forms of governments from time to time.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson

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During today's White House presser it's said Obama will surround himself with Obama Youth.

I wonder if they will sing that insidious Mmm, mmm, mm Obama propoganda song to their leader???

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_35kDzNt-gTQ/Sr5NWFqXkZI/AAAAAAAACkI/o0zn2RZJg2w/s1600/bdm03s.jpg

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Does anyone in their right mind think Obama could pass such
a rigorous psychological evaluation and background check?

LOL..........

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Obama, his liberal democrats and their supporters are at war against the individual American.

If the individual can't be pigeon holed into a specific democratic group, that American individual is SOL.

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@BillRM,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5228108)
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Relatively few people can own mansions the size of Bill Gates' estate. I don't think the 2nd Amendment says anything about ownership of guns having to be cheap enough so that everyone can own one.

So it is a back door attempt to get around the second amendment so only the wealthy and their hire help can be armed.

Sound like you are going for a dictatorship of the top two percents or so similar to what happen to the Roman Republic in it last decades.

Oh, Christ...don't tell me the Romans banned gun ownership too!

No, Bill...I am not looking to make a dictatorship of the top two percent. I am exploring solutions ways to make gun ownership a safer proposition for all people.

The 2nd Amendment is not sacred scripture to me--it was an idea conceived of by 18th century minds--the same minds that considered slave-ownership to be reasonable.

I think gun ownership as a reasonable thing...but I am not willing to make it the end-all of American citizenship. Come up with some decent ideas of your own if you think of mine as stupid.

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@BillRM,

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Ya know...don't let little kids play with matches!

Yes we are getting a ruling class that view most of us as children that can not even be trusted to decide what size soda containers to buy let alone firearms and soon the right to vote.

I always been a fan of Hamilton more then Jefferson but Jefferson might had been right about needing rebellion and new forms of governments from time to time.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson also thought the constitution ought to be re-written every 19 years...because he thought the ideas of one generation might now apply to all future generations!

My guess is Tomas Jefferson might be fighting to restrict gun ownership right now. I'd bet Alexander Hamilton would also!

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@Frank Apisa,

Stick with the constitution and you will be OK.

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@H2O MAN,

You ought to know H2O that many astute observers of the US political scene, and ours as well, consider your general line to be a trick performed by the propertied interests to maintain themselves in unchallenged possession of the landscape and that the "individual American" is actually nothing more than a mystical concept devoid of any practical meaning other than to burst the buttons on the vest of those who peddle the line without being paid for doing so and who can be presumed to be emotionally compensating for the loss of individuality they evidently feel by asserting the contrary vehemently: Alex Jones style.

The Frontiersman went out with the bubonic plague, the earth closet and the log cabin.

"I'm going back to New York City, I do believe I've had enough".

Bob Dylan--Just Like Tom Thumb Blues.

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@spendius,

Spendi, you need to remove your blinders.

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