Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

izzythepush wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

The liberal press

is a misnomer. America has one of the most right wing Media outlets in the developed world.

Bullshit

Compared to yours it may or may not, but I'm not comparing it to yours.

843.

The number killed by guns since Newtown.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html

917 now

oralloy wrote:

It is better that we die than give up our freedom or our Constitution.

I am aware oralloy that a peaceable, law-abiding population of compassionate and caring people might not be able to maintain America's position in the world.

But a violent, testosterone laden, sea of conflicts of interest, disagreement, contradictions and confusion, however much it supports America's position in the world, which I will allow, will be responded to by other powerful nations.

And the Constitution is a document which is precisely written to reduce the dangers of responding opponents albeit on what looks to us now a smaller scale but wouldn't have done to the participants. The antagonisms of the 13 states were their whole world.

The United Nations, which I presume you hate, is a Constitutional Convention on a world scale.

The convention working on a United States of Europe is in permanent session and has been since the late 1950s and with no end in sight. It has so many delegates that even the sod-busters are having an input.

You are on the wrong side of history.

Your guns are a very serious economic liability.

And with 300 million in circulation in that sea of confusion, which gets more choppy by the day, they obviously make a strong case for there being a lot more.

What of the cost, medically, of the mass anxiety of such a situation. What of the engineering in the manufacture of guns which could be put to better use. Dialysis machines for example.

What use are guns?

Surely tasers can be made lethal if they are switched to MAX. And sold at swap meets for $20.

Why would a disarmed population lead to a Police State?

NRA spits on the graves of Newtown massacre victims with release of mobile shoot-'em-up app for iPhone, iPad

National Rifle Association launched free game that could allow children to play target practice and pay to unlock more powerful weapons, including an assault weapon like the one used by Adam Lanza to kill 20 children and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School on Dec. 14.

By Chelsia Rose Marcius , Erin Durkin AND Bill Hutchinson
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, January 14, 2013

Ready, aim, misfire!

Exactly one month after the Newtown school massacre, the National Rifle Association has launched a free iPhone and iPad shooting game offering kids as young as 4 a chance to fire guns at coffin-shaped targets.

The free game “NRA: Practice Range” is offered on iTunes and allows would-be snipers to choose a weapon to fire at an indoor gun range, an outdoor range or for skeet shooting practice.

The free guns include a Beretta M-9 handgun, a Colt M-16 assault rifle with 15-round clip or a Mossberg 500 pump-action shotgun.

For 99 cents extra, players can “unlock” higher-capacity guns similar to one Adam Lanza used in the Sandy Hook massacre, including AK-47 assault rifles and an M-11 sniper rifles....

It’s “the most authentic experience possible,” the gamemakers said, touting its real-life gunshot sounds and arsenal of free weapons...

Critics immediately blasted the powerful gun lobby, especially since the NRA itself blamed violent video games for contributing to Lanza’s deadly Dec. 14 rampage at the Sandy Hook Elementary School....

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nra-spits-graves-new-shoot-em-up-app-article-1.1240207#ixzz2I5XL12j8

NRA shooting game no longer for preschoolers, mobile app ups age recommendation from 4 to 12
January 15, 2013
Associated Press

WASHINGTON – A new shooting game for mobile devices tied to the National Rifle Association is no longer being labeled suitable for preschoolers. "NRA: Practice Range" changed its age recommendation Tuesday from 4 years and up to at least 12 years of age, with an added warning that the game depicts realistic violence.

The game was released after a top NRA executive, Wayne LaPierre, had blamed violent video games, not guns, for contributing to mass shootings. A progressive advocacy group, Courage Campaign, on Tuesday circulated an online petition asking Apple to drop the free mobile application from its store.

The NRA and MEDL Media, which developed the game, did not respond to calls seeking comment. Apple declined to comment.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/15/nra-shooting-game-no-longer-for-preschoolers-mobile-app-ups-age-recommendation/#ixzz2I5Smwj7L

Scarborough Blasts NRA ‘Extremism’ That’s Offending Americans: ‘How Sick Are These People?’
by Meenal Vamburkar
January 15th, 2013

Joe Scarborough was back at it on Tuesday morning, continuing his ongoing criticism of the “extremists” who he believes have come to dominate the National Rifle Association. It’s a great organization that no longer represents its members, he said. “Their extremism is destroying them.”

“How sick is this?” Scarborough asked, pointing to the New York Daily News front page about the NRA’s new “practice range” iPhone app, which is approved for ages four and above. “How sick are these people that have commandeered the NRA and turned them into an extremist operation for survivalists and gun manufacturers?”

The MSNBC host sought to explain that the NRA has been a good organization, but has allowed itself to be “besmirched and diminished.” To back up his point, he noted a new poll that shows a majority of Americans (58 percent) favoring a ban on assault weapons. “Americans are deeply offended by the extremists running the NRA,” he asserted, adding that “we warned them,” but they haven’t listened....

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/scarborough-blasts-nra-extremism-thats-offending-americans-how-sick-are-these-people/

oralloy wrote:

Everyone remember to vote all the gun banners out of office in 2014! The ultimate solution to the Freedom Haters is having all our politicians terrified of crossing the NRA!

It's just too bad for you guys that the number of people who think you're nutballs far exceeds the number of people dim enough to follow your lead.

It is a hard task to make any changes in the constitution that can not be done unless there is a large scale conviction of the need by a very large percent of the American public by way of congress and the states.

but you chiding me for "putdowns" is quite rich.

I never suggested anything of the sort. I merely expressed MY opinion about the kind of person I think should not own guns.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

In my opinion, if a person acts like an out-of-control, aggressive, angry,constantly hostile individual...that person is a delusional liberal democrat.

The NRA is turning a lot of people off, because of the extremists who are running it, and because of hearing from people like you, who are their mindless obedient servants. That helps the gun control movement grow in strength.

Quote:

Scarborough Blasts NRA ‘Extremism’ That’s Offending Americans: ‘How Sick Are These People?’
by Meenal Vamburkar
January 15th, 2013

Joe Scarborough was back at it on Tuesday morning, continuing his ongoing criticism of the “extremists” who he believes have come to dominate the National Rifle Association. It’s a great organization that no longer represents its members, he said. “Their extremism is destroying them.”

The MSNBC host sought to explain that the NRA has been a good organization, but has allowed itself to be “besmirched and diminished.” To back up his point, he noted a new poll that shows a majority of Americans (58 percent) favoring a ban on assault weapons. “Americans are deeply offended by the extremists running the NRA,” he asserted, adding that “we warned them,” but they haven’t listened.

Number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq: 6,614:

Number of women, in the same period, killed as the result of domestic violence in the US: 11,766

Increase in likelihood that a woman will die a violent death if a gun in present in the home: 270 percent
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-actual-facts-about-dom_b_2193904.html

Access to firearms yields a more than five-fold increase in risk of intimate partner homicide when considering other factors of abuse, according to a recent study, suggesting that abusers who possess guns tend to inflict the most severe abuse on their partners.

Jacquelyn C. Campbell et al., Risk Factors For Femicide in Abusive Relationships: Results From A Multi-Site Case Control Study, 93 Am. J. of Public Health 1089, 1092 (2003), abstract available at http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/93/7/1089

Of females killed with a firearm, almost two-thirds were killed by their intimate partners. The number of females shot and killed by their husband or intimate partner was more than three times higher than the total number murdered by male strangers using all weapons combined in single victim/single offender incidents in 2002.

The Violence Pol'y Ctr., When Men Murder Women: An Analysis of 2002 Homicide Data: Females Murdered by Males in Single Victim/Single Offender Incidents, at 7 (2004), available at http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2004.pdf

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics.html

Frank, I hate to agree with bill, but he is correct.
If the simple rules of gun safety are followed, a firearm cannot hurt you.

Finn since no one has talked about banning all shotguns or all pistols or all long rifles.