Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

BillRM wrote:

Yes she surely do not have a clue concerning anything to do with firearms and is not willing to listen to the so call gun nuts who do either.

And you have no actual battlefield experience, but you'e not willing to listen to someone, like Gen. Stanley McChrystal, when he says that certain firearms do not belong on our streets--based on his first-hand knowledge of the human damage such weapons can inflict.

Frank Apisa wrote:

My point earlier was that there are more people harmed by having guns in the house than are ever helped by using the guns used to repel a home invasion

Bill, you really know how to nit pick over and over again, don't you? People, particularly kids, are usually smaller than deer and easier to kill. .22s are lethal too, particularly at short range, which is the range for most mass shootings.

Semi-automatic assault-style weapons are easier to carry,

easier to conceal,

easier to fire,

When you have many people in a relatively small space with restricted exits, aweapon that can spray twenty or thirty bullets or more in a few seconds, and then another twenty or thirty again a couple seconds later, that is a particularly lethal combination.

Of course, we could go the route Australia did, which seems to have eliminated mass shootings there, and ban and/or place stringent restrictions on all semi-automatic weapons. Worked for them. Would that make you happier and eliminate your objections?

I'm not the one living in fear.

Well, now we are starting to get somewhere.
THE NEW YORK STATE SENATE HAS PASSED STRINGENT NEW GUN CONTROL LAWS, SUPPORTED BY BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS IN THEIR LEGISLATURE. THE NY ASSEMBLY, WHICH IS HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC, HAS EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR SUCH PROVISIONS AND VOTES TOMORROW ON THE BILL. THEIR APPROVAL SEEMS CERTAIN.
Assault-style weapons with ONE functional feature (which oralloy mistakenly refers to as "cosmetic features") will be banned,

will be banned, as well as semi-automatic shotguns

will be banned, as well as semi-automatic shotguns and some semi-auto handguns. Magazines will be reduced to a capacity of 7 from 10.

I'd say these regulations clearly are constitutional under Scalia's majority decision in Heller, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they gain not simply majority support but 6-3 support when they come before the Supreme Court.

By David Nakamura and Jon Cohen, Updated: Monday, January 14, 5:00 PM

Most Americans support tough new measures to counter gun violence, including banning assault weapons

Administration aides have said that the president is likely to call for renewing the ban on the most powerful rifles, even in the face of heavy opposition from the National Rifle Association.

“My starting point is not to worry about the politics but to focus on what makes sense and what works,” Obama said at a news conference Monday. “What should we be doing to make sure our children are safe and reduce incidents of gun violence? We can do it in a way that comports with the Second Amendment.”

And Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley (D) unveiled plans for an assault-rifle ban and tougher gun licensing requirements in his state.

Some 45 percent of gun-owning households support a ban on assault weapons

Still, majorities in households with firearms support ... a new federal gun database (62 percent);
The poll shows broad support among Americans for establishing a database to track all gun sales (71 percent)

Fifty-one percent support a ban on semiautomatic handguns.

n Britain, people who have a licence to own firearms have to keep them in a locked gun cabinet, liable for inspection.

MontereyJack wrote:

Well, now we are starting to get somewhere.
THE NEW YORK STATE SENATE HAS PASSED STRINGENT NEW GUN CONTROL LAWS, SUPPORTED BY BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS IN THEIR LEGISLATURE. THE NY ASSEMBLY, WHICH IS HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC, HAS EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR SUCH PROVISIONS AND VOTES TOMORROW ON THE BILL. THEIR APPROVAL SEEMS CERTAIN.
Assault-style weapons with ONE functional feature (which oralloy mistakenly refers to as "cosmetic features") will be banned,

No mistake about it. Pistol grips are harmless cosmetic features.

The fact that there is no legitimate reason to ban them means that any such ban violates Rational Basis Review. They have guaranteed that the Supreme Court will strike down their law.

MontereyJack wrote:

will be banned, as well as semi-automatic shotguns

In other words, they are trying to ban hunting weapons too.

MontereyJack wrote:

will be banned, as well as semi-automatic shotguns and some semi-auto handguns. Magazines will be reduced to a capacity of 7 from 10.

Odds are high that any and all of that is a violation of Strict Scrutiny (which will almost certainly be applied), and will therefore also be struck down by the courts.

MontereyJack wrote:

I'd say these regulations clearly are constitutional under Scalia's majority decision in Heller, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they gain not simply majority support but 6-3 support when they come before the Supreme Court.

You'd be completely wrong.

Don't be silly. The term "Freedom Hater" is completely accurate. It isn't possible to pack more truth into just two words.

That it associates gun control advocates with their 9/11 terrorist buddies only makes the term even more accurate.

orally for the win.

oralloy wrote:

That it associates gun control advocates with their 9/11 terrorist buddies only makes the term even more accurate.

That is drivel too precisely because the terrorists see themselves as fighting for freedom.

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/advice/cycling/info/cycling_accidents_factsheet.pdf

Every year in this country around 19,000 cyclists are killed or injured in reported road
accidents, including around 3,000 who are killed or seriously injured.
Cyclist Casualties, 2011
Killed 107
Seriously Injured 3,085
Slightly Injured 16,023
Total 19,215