Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@farmerman,

By the way Farmerman you had not answer my question if we had a magic wand and make all firearms of all types disappear in the US and a man such as our last killer with a sick but bright mind wish to get fame by killing a lot of young children it is your position that he would have problems doing so or could not do so without those firearms?

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@BillRM,

A cannon is a "dangerous weapon" as defined by BATF.Explosives arent firearms either, they are EXPLOSIVES

Anybody can do anything illegally, I can make expolosives out of kitchen chemicals. I DONT becauise I use explosives in my work and I play by the rules to keep everyone safe and all my explosives accounted for and each shot and cap recorded in my logs which are open for routine inspection by Fire Marshalls and BATF.
I wouldnt **** with anything that can explode without notifying the law.
Even fireworks techs are required to name their gigs and identify their ordnance to be used.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Why do you freedom haters always resort to bigotry and name-calling whenever you are prevented from violating people's civil rights?

Hyperbole at it's worst again. "Freedom haters"? What utter nonsense from you. And you accuse others of bigotry and name calling in the same sentence you post your "freedom haters" crap? I'll bet you don't see the hypocrisy or the irony.

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@farmerman,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

Muzzle-loading firearms are exempt from the Act (as they are defined as 'Antique Firearms' and are not considered 'Firearms' under either the GCA or the NFA). Thus, though common muzzle-loading hunting rifles are available in calibers over 0.50", they are not regulated as destructive devices. Muzzle-loading cannons are similarly exempt since the law draws no distinction between the size of the muzzle-loading weapons; thus it is legal for a civilian to build muzzle-loading rifles, pistols, cannons and mortars with no paperwork. While an 'antique firearm' is not considered a 'firearm' under the NFA, some states (such as Oregon) have laws that specifically prohibit anyone from owning/obtaining an 'antique firearm' that could not otherwise own/obtain an GCA or NFA defined 'firearm' (i.e., felons, recipients of dishonorable discharge from military service, the mentally adjudicated, etc.)

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Bullshit, my neighbor owns 2 cannons and he had to fill out the forms with BATF, pay a tearly tax stamp (I tink the fireMarshall has that)

He also needs to have his ammo (powder) acquired in a registered manner and , if he would use "grape shot or anything explosive or withering, hed need to register the ammo and the charges (just as I have to for any explosives and caps I buy ON MY EXPLOSIVES (separate licenses for buying, transporting in a magazine, and USING)

Also, my neighbor MUST notify the FireMarshall about each time and shot he plans. (He shoots his cannons off every few 4th of July's)

Breech loading cannons are almot like buying a nuke, you become a "person of interest' in anything that happens in the county

A breach-loading cannon is quite different from the muzzleloading cannons that BillRM was talking about.

There are zero government regulations on muzzleloading cannons.

And there are zero government regulations on either grapeshot or canister (both of which are non-explosive).

The thing about notifying the fire marshal might be a local ordinance, but there is nothing like that nationwide.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

oralloy wrote:
Why do you freedom haters always resort to bigotry and name-calling whenever you are prevented from violating people's civil rights?

Hyperbole at it's worst again. "Freedom haters"? What utter nonsense from you. And you accuse others of bigotry and name calling in the same sentence you post your "freedom haters" crap? I'll bet you don't see the hypocrisy or the irony.

Hardly hyperbole. The left hates America's freedom even more than Osama bin Laden did. That is why the left is always trying to overthrow our Constitution.

If anyone values their freedom even a little bit, it is vital that they make sure to vote only for Republicans from now on, because if they don't, they are going to wake up one day in a country that no longer has any freedom.

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@farmerman,

Footnote.....The Cannon owner and civil war nut was also a bar owner that would carry large sums of cash from his bar to the bank drop box in a crime full neighborhood.

He wished to be openly arm when doing so to prevent problems however the CCW laws does not allow that so he used a civil war cavalty revolver that was very very large on his belt as it is not consider a firearm.

No one ever annoy him on his way to the bank.

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@oralloy,

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Hardly hyperbole. The left hates America's freedom even more than Osama bin Laden did.

Sure... you just keep believing that. And when most Americans disagree with you don't forget that you are the only TRUE American.

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@oralloy,

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Hardly hyperbole. The left hates America's freedom even more than Osama bin Laden did. That is why the left is always trying to overthrow our Constitution.

If anyone values their freedom even a little bit, it is vital that they make sure to vote only for Republicans from now on, because if they don't, they are going to wake up one day in a country that no longer has any freedom.

It is difficult for me to figure out if you were just trying to make a joke here or not!

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@oralloy,

Have you taken note that Farmerman had refused to answer/address my question to him whether, if we could make all the hundreds of millions of firearms disappear, if this killer or any other who is fairly bright would likely have any problem with finding means to do large scale killing of children without firearms.

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@BillRM,

Yes, you're so right. He could have built a nuke and nuked them.

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@Ragman,

since, for the most part, these guys all seem to be gun folks (ie owning multiple guns) and for the most part they kill themselves, wouldn't it male more sense to use a suicide vest (explosives and nail/screws)

they could still cause massive damage and casualties and not bring the gun into disrepute

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@Ragman,

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Yes, you're so right. He could have built a nuke and nuked them.

Or a can of gasoline and a road flare or a pipe with gunpower in it or..............

Lot of ways of killing defenseless children trap in a small room....................

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Lot of ways of killing defenseless children trap in a small room....................

i think this is bill's idea of porn

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@djjd62,

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wouldn't it male more sense to use a suicide vest (explosives and nail/screws)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

The Oklahoma blast claimed 168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6,[1] and injured more than 680 people

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@djjd62,

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i think this is bill's idea of porn

I think that a lot of anti-gun nuts are using the sad killing of children as a mean to try once more to disarm the American law abiding public so only the killers and others who do not care about the laws will be arm.

Making all of us the same kind of sitting ducks as those poor children and teachers happen to had been.

footnote the wall to wall news coverage is telling anyone with a sick mind that if he wish for fame all he need to do in kill a lot of children with special note of using a weapon label an assault rifle.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Sure... you just keep believing that. And when most Americans disagree with you don't forget that you are the only TRUE American.

Apparently you've forgotten the 1994 election. Americans don't like it when Democrats try to overthrow the Constitution.

(No video for me. Sorry. I'm on dialup remember?)

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@BillRM,

Yes, and it probably couldn't happen today because of new rules put in place concerning fertilizer and rental trucks.

By the way.... you forgot to mention that the President spoke about those lives and attended a memorial service for them. Oh... but that wasn't a tornado so it doesn't count I guess.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Have you taken note that Farmerman had refused to answer/address my question to him whether, if we could make all the hundreds of millions of firearms disappear, if this killer or any other who is fairly bright would likely have any problem with finding means to do large scale killing of children without firearms.

Actually I'm surprised this kid used guns. I cannot imagine how someone like him got to a place where he'd even commit a massacre. But since he did get there, everyone is pretty lucky he stuck only to guns.

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@BillRM,

as a Canadian, i'm not anti gun, i've had friends who owned handguns and have gone to ranges to shoot

i see no need to own a handgun and not being a hunter i don't own a long gun, but i'd like to live up north someday, and would probably own a long gun of some sort (there are bears in the area i'd like to live)

i'm glad we have the restrictions we do, owning a long gun in Canada is actually pretty easy, hand guns not so much

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