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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
BillRM
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 04:19 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Bill...here are two from today!!!


Accident shootings and deaths occur and so do one hell of a lot of other rare deaths occur every year out of a population of 300 millions with as many firearms.

Let see I also cycle thousands of miles a year and the total number of deaths of cyclists a year happen to be .........

Take note there are a hell of a lot less cyclists then firearm owners in the US.

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/advice/cycling/info/cycling_accidents_factsheet.pdf

Every year in this country around 19,000 cyclists are killed or injured in reported road
accidents, including around 3,000 who are killed or seriously injured.
Cyclist Casualties, 2011
Killed 107
Seriously Injured 3,085
Slightly Injured 16,023
Total 19,215

These figures only include the numbers of cyclists killed or injured in road accidents that
were reported to the police. It is well established that many cyclist casualties are not
reported to the police, even when the cyclist is inured badly enough to be taken to hospital.
The above figures also exclude cycling accidents that occur away from the road. Although
the number of deaths will be accurate, there could be two or three times as many seriously
injured cyclists and double the number of slightly injured.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 04:34 pm
@spendius,
Where did you come up with a 50/50 split?
edgarblythe
 
  2  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 04:42 pm
The perfect gun nut solution
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 04:51 pm
@edgarblythe,
You lost me @ 'gun nut'
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parados
 
  3  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 05:20 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Let see lighting hits in the US a year.......Average 62 deaths and 300 serously harm.

Roughly 300 million dollars lottery winners a year in the US.

Meanwhile almost 30,000 deaths from firearms every year in the US and 79% of people injured with firearms don't die so that means about 120,000 injuries that aren't fatal.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 05:26 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:
Let see lighting hits in the US a year.......Average 62 deaths and 300 serously harm.

Roughly 300 million dollars lottery winners a year in the US.

Meanwhile almost 30,000 deaths from firearms every year in the US and 79% of people injured with firearms don't die so that means about 120,000 injuries that aren't fatal.


Proving that there is a need for marksmanship training
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firefly
 
  3  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 05:38 pm
Quote:
New, from the NRA! A shooting-game app
Clare Kim, @clarehkim
01/14/2013

While criticizing video games and Hollywood movies as causes of gun violence, the National Rifle Association has released an iPhone app called “NRA: Practice Range.”

The gun lobby offers the 3D app as a way to obtain “one-touch access to the NRA network of news, laws, facts, knowledge, safety tips, educational materials and online resource.” For ages 4 and up, the game allows players to practice shooting at coffin-shaped targets with red crosshairs at both the head and the heart. And for just an additional 99 cents, players can upgrade to a MK11 sniper rifle.

In hopes of teaching “safe and responsible” gun ownership, the NRA presents “fun challenges and realistic simulations” with “true-to-life firearms” on virtual shooting ranges.

A week after the Newtown shooting, the NRA blamed the media and the escalating violence in films and video games for the increased gun violence and mass shootings. NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre blasted the media industry:

“They have the nerve to call it ‘entertainment.’ But is that what it really is? Isn’t fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography? In a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate and offend every standard of civilized society by bringing an ever-more-toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty into our homes—every minute of every day of every month of every year.”

Earlier this month, the NRA hosted an exhibit of more than 125 guns used in famous films at its National Firearms Museum. The gallery was called “Hollywood Guns.”

NRA president David Keene told CNN on Sunday that he believes legislation for gun control will not pass. “I would say that the likelihood is they’re not going to be able to get an assault weapons ban through this Congress.”

A Gallup poll released Monday shows an increase of Americans who are dissastisfied with current gun legislation jumping from 25% a year ago to now 38%. Vice President Joe Biden, head of a task force looking for ways to curb gun violence, has met with House members along with Attorney General Eric Holder, Janet Napolitano, and Kathleen Sebelius. Biden is expected to present his proposals to President Obama Tuesday, in which the reinstatement of an assault weapons ban will be included
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/14/new-from-the-nra-a-shooting-game-app/


Encouraging children "4 and up" to shoot with “true-to-life firearms”--including an MK11 sniper rifle-- is “safe and responsible” ?
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 05:52 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5226755)
Quote:
ith all the respect in the world, Bill, that is strange indeed, because HUNDREDS of people WILL be killed accidentally in homes where guns are kept this year ( EVERY YEAR)...and THOUSANDS will be severely wounded. That is not something I am making up...it is a national statistic...and quite honestly, a national disgrace.


Let see we are a nation of 300 millions with roughly half the homes having firearms and in the small towns I grow up in I would place that number one hell of a lot higher the half the homes.

So how many millionaire lottery winners a year are there in the nation or how many people are hit by lightening every year?

In the size country we happen to live in a thousand out of 300 millions is tiny and compare to other rare events both good and bad events.

Let see lighting hits in the US a year.......Average 62 deaths and 300 serously harm.

Roughly 300 million dollars lottery winners a year in the US.


So you are saying because there are only 800 or 900 people killed each year accidentally in homes with guns...and 15,000 - 18,000 seriously injured...we should opt for more guns because criminals or the government might invade our homes???!!!

C'mon. Get real.

My point earlier was that there are more people harmed by having guns in the house than are ever helped by using the guns used to repel a home invasion (or the federal government invading!)

And I am correct.

Why do you persist when it is obvious that more people are killed and seriously injured in shootings in homes where there are guns...than there are invading gunmen repelled by those guns.

MANY, MANY, MANY MORE!

But, like when I showed that the Southern States thought slavery to be in danger and you refused to concede the point, I suspect you will refuse to concede this one.

Fine. We can still have a beer together and talk football.

But people who actually have an open mind understand where the truth lies on the gun issue we are discussing here.
H2O MAN
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 05:52 pm
@firefly,
firefluke: avid gamer, who knew Laughing

firefly wrote:

And for just an additional 99 cents, players can upgrade to a MK11 sniper rifle.


A one time fluke I'm sure... each Mk11 costs the tax payer about $18K
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 05:54 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5226757)
Quote:
Bill...here are two from today!!!


Accident shootings and deaths occur and so do one hell of a lot of other rare deaths occur every year out of a population of 300 millions with as many firearms.

Let see I also cycle thousands of miles a year and the total number of deaths of cyclists a year happen to be .........

Take note there are a hell of a lot less cyclists then firearm owners in the US.

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/advice/cycling/info/cycling_accidents_factsheet.pdf

Every year in this country around 19,000 cyclists are killed or injured in reported road
accidents, including around 3,000 who are killed or seriously injured.
Cyclist Casualties, 2011
Killed 107
Seriously Injured 3,085
Slightly Injured 16,023
Total 19,215
These figures only include the numbers of cyclists killed or injured in road accidents that
were reported to the police. It is well established that many cyclist casualties are not
reported to the police, even when the cyclist is inured badly enough to be taken to hospital.
The above figures also exclude cycling accidents that occur away from the road. Although
the number of deaths will be accurate, there could be two or three times as many seriously
injured cyclists and double the number of slightly injured.


You were the one claiming that in your many years...you had seen but one.

I just wanted you to see that out here in the real world...there are plenty.
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firefly
 
  3  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 06:00 pm
This just happened this afternoon...

This is the kind of impulsive suicide that having a gun handy facilitates.
Quote:

UPDATE: Man shot, killed himself at Vista Ridge Mall following domestic dispute
By Sarah Mervosh
[email protected]
January 14, 2013 | Permalink

Update at 5:30 p.m.

A man killed himself at Vista Ridge Mall following a domestic dispute Thursday afternoon.

Lewisville police were dispatched to Vista Ridge Mall around 4 p.m. to respond to an argument between a woman and a male acquaintance.

Mall security had responded to the incident and began to escort the man from the mall. The man removed a handgun from his clothing and shot himself, police said.

He was transported to a local hospital, where he was pronounced dead. His identity was not released because his next of kin hadn’t been notified.

No one else was injured, police said.
http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2013/01/lewisville-police-report-shooting-inside-vista-ridge-mall.html/


If mall security had not shown up, to escort him out, he might also have impulsively shot the woman in a murder/suicide....
spendius
 
  1  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 06:04 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Where did you come up with a 50/50 split?


I don't remember. I will allow you to give your own figure. The sample size in both cases is at least 100 times larger than that for most opinion polls.

What is the murder rate of perps who own guns compared to perps who don't?

Is that question more to your taste H2O?

It is interesting because if the murder rate for perps who don't own guns is significantly higher than the murder rate for perps who do own guns then there is a case for disqualifying non-gun owners in "background checks" on the grounds that they are dangerous people.

That would mean that in order to increase gun sales gun owners would have to buy more guns.

Of course I am not allowing for "background checks" being immune from the bribery, arm twisting and cajolery that legislators in Congress are said to subject to as the general public are well known to be more responsible and ethically sound that the average Congress and Senate member.
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 06:05 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
Where did you come up with a 50/50 split?


I don't remember. I


Really, I find that hard to believe Confused
spendius
 
  1  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 06:08 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Encouraging children "4 and up" to shoot with “true-to-life firearms”--including an MK11 sniper rifle-- is “safe and responsible” ?


I feel sure the kids would love it ff.

Just the thought of the ******* adults I might have potted before reaching the age of responsibility makes me cringe.
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H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 06:08 pm
@firefly,
He might have just bled out.

What other 'assault weapons' have been used for suicide?
Counting both failed & successful attempts of course.
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spendius
 
  2  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 06:21 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Really, I find that hard to believe Confused


Slithering off are you H20? Again.

Answer the question eh?

I think gun owners are at least 10 times more likely to kill people than non gun owners and thus owning a gun is a disqualification in any sensible background check.

Do you not agree?
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 06:26 pm
@spendius,
I think you just disqualified yourself.
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BillRM
 
  0  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 06:34 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
ncouraging children "4 and up" to shoot with “true-to-life firearms”--including an MK11 sniper rifle-- is “safe and responsible” ?
Quote:


I remember at a very young age on the Seaside Heights boardwalk firing fully auto 22 shorts sub-machine guns at a shooting arcade in the late 1950s.

They has the guns chain so you could not shoot outside the arcade target area.

Lord that was fun even if the cost was out of sight at a quarter or even 50 cents if memory serve me correctly.


BillRM
 
  0  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 06:56 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
So you are saying because there are only 800 or 900 people killed each year accidentally in homes with guns...and 15,000 - 18,000 seriously injured...we should opt for more guns because criminals or the government might invade our homes???!!!


No I am saying that half the home owners in the US have every damn right to have weapons in their homes for whatever reason and by your logic you could ban almost anything in a home. In any case my father did a little hunting and some target shooting.

He try however not to bring my mother along when target shooting as she was a better shot then him and was known to enjoy embarrassing him.

The risk is small and tiny and compare to having electric wiring in your home.

People are killed every year by fires cause by bad wiring or by electric shocks but there is no movement that I am aware of to removed electric from homes due to the risk.

Hell how about Christmas trees.......................

Quote:
Electric shocks are responsible for about 1,000 deaths in the United States each year, or about 1% of all accidental deaths. ... When an electric shock accident happens at home or in the workplace, the main power should immediately be shut ...


Quote:
Annually, an estimated 28,300 residential building electrical fires cause 360. □ deaths, 1,000 injuries, and ... more electrical fires result from inappropriate wiring instal- lations ... number of appliances used by residents in the past half- century , and it is ..... Protection Association's (NFPA) annual survey of fire loss. Fires are ...


Quote:
NFPA home page link ... Report: NFPA's "Natural Gas and LP-Gas Home Structure Fires" ... These fires resulted in an annual average of 43 civilian fire deaths, 152 civilian fire injuries, and $59 million in direct property damage during the same ...


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with Christmas trees in 2006-2010. These fires caused an annual average of. 4 civilian fire deaths,. 21 civilian fire injuries, and. $17.3 million in direct property ...
BillRM
 
  0  
Mon 14 Jan, 2013 07:28 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
This is the kind of impulsive suicide that having a gun handy facilitates.


You do wish to live in a world where everyone is wrap in cotton do you not Firefly?

Of course I do not know what the hell we will do about people that jumped in front of buses or over a railing and such on impulse.



Quote:
Clarkstown Police Identify Woman In Apparent Mall Suicide


Clarkstown Police have identified the 36-year-old woman who died in an apparent Christmas Eve suicide as Bindu Mathew from Orangeburg.

According to police, video surveillance of the incident at the Palisades Center shows Matthew sat on top of the fourth floor railing and intentionally pushed herself over.

Police were called to the Palisades Center at about 10 p.m. on Monday, and recovered her body on the parking garage level.


 

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