Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

The mental health of liberal democrats has long been in question, it's about time they were properly screened and tested.

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@hawkeye10,

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i have not heard anything, but I expect that this plan would make it a crime to sell an assault weapon to anyone not approved by the government.

From what I have heard, cracking down on straw purchasers, and even the gun dealers who turn a blind eye when they sell to them, by imposing stiffer criminal penalties, is part of the plan.
In addition, the ATF has to have better means of holding the gun dealers to account for all the missing weapons from their inventory, because these firearms also wind up in the wrong hands.
And there also have to be stiffer penalties for gun owners whose weapons are stolen when they don't promptly report the loss or theft.

I've heard all those options being considered.

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then if the weapon is sold without the proper permits the old owner will be liable for all harm done, they would be ruined in civil court

This shouldn't just be a matter of civil liability--or financial liability--it should be a criminal matter to contribute to the number of illegal guns in circulation.

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@firefly,

Then you really don't have a clear understanding.

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@H2O MAN,

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@firefly,

Well firefly, at least we know what you look like.

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@firefly,

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Aid & comfort for the criminal element in America is on the way.

Obama, Biden and other democrat douchebags are going to make it much, much
harder for law abiding Americans to use arms to defend themselves and others.

Change you can hardly believe.

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@firefly,

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This shouldn't just be a matter of civil liability--or financial liability--it should be a criminal matter to contribute to the number of illegal guns in circulation.

LOL that kind of approach had stop the drug trade in it tracks........

Let see clean up some bum with no record and offer his enough to buy a few bottles of rot gut to buy a few firearms.

I am sure such a person would know or care about the punishments and it will be of great benefit to have bums locked up for a few decades at 40 thousands plus dollars to the taxpayers.

Buy guns and a file and sell the firearms at a few thousand percent mark up to those who do not care about the punishment for having a gun without a serial number on them.

An so on.................

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@BillRM,

firefly doesn't have a clue and continues to prove her ignorance in glowing fashion

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@firefly,

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Perhaps we need to limit the quantities of ammunition, or weapons, that can be purchased within a certain period of time, or perhaps we need to better scrutinize or track the buyers, by having a data base that tracks large ammunition purchases, or tracks multiple weapons acquisition.

Tight controls of both firearms and ammunition sure have work in Mexico!

An if you know anything about shooters and firearms you would know that heavy target shooters put thousands of rounds downrange every month.

I myself had run through a few hundreds rounds in one visit to a range.

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@H2O MAN,

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Fearless firefly doesn't have a clue and continues to prove this fact with each and every post.

Yes she surely do not have a clue concerning anything to do with firearms and is not willing to listen to the so call gun nuts who do either.

The whole idea that a rifle with the name assault rifle that employed a small caliber round is more deadly the most hunting rifles is both sad and amusing.

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@BillRM,

Get real, the straw purchasers for guns are not usually some bum--plenty of guns are being brought by straw purchasers for the purpose of reselling them illegally to someone else, often someone who could not pass a background check, and plenty of guns bought and distributed that way wind up on the streets of our large cities, like Chicago. And the penalties to straw purchasers are currently very minimal, which makes it an acceptable and lucrative risk to take, and that's what's got to change.

We do have to better enforce the laws we have in place, and stiffening the penalties for making straw purchases, and for having gun sellers turn a knowing blind eye to such purchases, would be doing that.

No laws are totally effective in prohibiting people from violating them, but stiffer penalties, including incarceration, are a much stronger deterrent than a slap on the wrist.

If the goal is to reduce the amount of gun violence, then you use all the measures you can to do that--and putting better teeth in existing laws is one way of doing that.

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@BillRM,

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Yes she surely do not have a clue concerning anything to do with firearms and is not willing to listen to the so call gun nuts who do either.

And you have no actual battlefield experience, but you'e not willing to listen to someone, like Gen. Stanley McChrystal, when he says that certain firearms do not belong on our streets--based on his first-hand knowledge of the human damage such weapons can inflict.

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The whole idea...is both sad and amusing.

I can't imagine why you find any aspect of this topic--needless human deaths attributable to gun violence in our society-- "amusing". Yet you smugly continue to say you are "amused" in numerous posts. You have one sick sense of humor.

Perhaps you should put aside your personal fascination with guns, and your endless desire to talk about them, long enough to consider the reason this thread was started--it was because of still more human lives, very young lives, lost to gun violence.

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@firefly,

Truly clueless

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@firefly,

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No laws are totally effective in prohibiting people from violating them, but stiffer penalties, including incarceration, are a much stronger deterrent than a slap on the wrist.

That why when in New York state in the 1970s when the prisons was being full up with small scale drug dealers with sentences of decades length that drug trade came to a halt in New York state right Firefly?

Heavy heavy punishment have a long history of working that is why the US have almost not CP trading with our punishment levels being a hundred times the rest of the world Firefly for that misdeed?

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@firefly,

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And you have no actual battlefield experience, but you'e not willing to listen to someone, like Gen. Stanley McChrystal, when he says that certain firearms do not belong on our streets--based on his first-hand knowledge of the human damage such weapons can inflict.

Sorry no one that know anything about firearms would give any weight to the idea that a rifle that employed a round that is so weak it should not be used in deer hunting is somehow so deadly that it should be ban completely when far more powerful rifles that used rounds that are able to bring down large games animals in their tracks is ok to own.

The military did trade offs and decided that they could live with a rifle that effected range and killing power repeat killing power was a small fraction of the older type military rifles and current hunting rifles in order to get a lighter weapon and one that you could carry far more rounds for it around the battlefield.

Nonsense is nonsense no matter who put it out.

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Bill, you really know how to nit pick over and over again, don't you? People, particularly kids, are usually smaller than deer and easier to kill. .22s are lethal too, particularly at short range, which is the range for most mass shootings. Semi-automatic assault-style weapons are easier to carry, easier to conceal, easier to fire, and, as they say, quantity has a quality all its own. When you have many people in a relatively small space with restricted exits, aweapon that can spray twenty or thirty bullets or more in a few seconds, and then another twenty or thirty again a couple seconds later, that is a particularly lethal combination. Remember, some of the kids in CT were shot eleven times. Nobody, particularly somebody small, is going to survive that.

Of course, we could go the route Australia did, which seems to have eliminated mass shootings there, and ban and/or place stringent restrictions on all semi-automatic weapons. Worked for them. Would that make you happier and eliminate your objections?

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@MontereyJack,

MJ, your ignorance is showing again... you really don't know that much about firearms and it shows.

Sadly, your comments are humorous.

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@MontereyJack,

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Of course, we could go the route Australia did, which seems to have eliminated mass shootings there, and ban and/or place stringent restrictions on all semi-automatic weapons. Worked for them. Would that make you happier and eliminate your objections?

Better yet have it so that the US pistol team should need to leave the country in order to practice and put restrictions on airguns as in the UK?

In any case good luck as long as the US is not a dictatorship in going in that direction.

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When you have many people in a relatively small space with restricted exits, aweapon that can spray twenty or thirty bullets or more in a few seconds

One word............SHOTGUN.......................far far far more deadly and I do not think that anyone would be happy if we see the use of pump shotguns instead of so call assault rifles in such killings situations.

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@BillRM,

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One word............SHOTGUN.

Agreed.

Nothing beats a shotgun for this type of thing.

http://www.murdoconline.net/pics/usmcshotgunners.jpg

For my personal home defense it's and assortment of .45 ACP pistols and a shotgun.

My rifles are a bit of overkill for HD work, they serve a different purpose.

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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

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