Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@Frank Apisa,

Did you hit the link and read about the shootings under Obama's rule?

@Frank Apisa,

By your logic we can not trust anyone with the tools that can allowed mass murders and given that there are an endless way and means to do mass murders that is available to all of us once more the only solutions I can see is for us to go back to the cave without any of the knowledge the human race had gotten in the last few thousand years.

Somehow by magic means getting rid of firearms is going to leaved thousands of ways to do mass murders.

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@BillRM,

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If none of us can be trusted to own firearms by that logic then none of us can be trusted to have gasoline or everyday household materials that can be turn into an IED.

Yes, as long as humans are humans there will be mass killings from time to time as a result of sick people such as the chairman of the school board blowing up his school and killing the most children in a school mass killings in the US history.

Or a few dollars of gasoline that ended up killing 97 people in an after hour night club.

I guess we will need to go back to the cave and burn all books and end all technology down to how to produce bronze edge weapons.

I'm not saying any of those things, Bill.

I am merely calling attention to the fact that just about every one of these mass shootings occurred at the hands of someone you people are now referring to as "decent, law-abiding Americans"...people you claim have every right to own guns and not have restrictions imposed on them because of the 2nd Amendment.

You people are correct in many things...and I am on your side on many things. But the other side is correct on many things also. Both sides have to get off their "all or nothing" mentality in order to finally make such progress as is possible.

The people on your side ought to stop with the "law-abiding Americans with inalienable right to own guns"....because damn near every mass shooting occurs at the hands of what you now consider a decent, law-abiding American with an inalienable right to own guns.

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@H2O MAN,

Did you read the several times where I suggested that it is time you started answering a few questions rather than just asking them of others?

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@Frank Apisa,

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The people on your side ought to stop with the "law-abiding Americans with inalienable right to own guns"....because damn near every mass shooting occurs at the hands of what you now consider a decent, law-abiding American with an inalienable right to own guns.

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Sorry there was all kind of mental health warning existing for any numbers of the mass killers long before their deeds.

It would be helpful to have a far better mental health treatment system but the anti-firearm people wish to go for the simple solution of limiting guns access however once more a few dollars of gasoline had killed 97 people in New York not all that long ago.

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@BillRM,

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Sorry there was all kind of mental health warning existing for any numbers of the mass killers long before their deeds.

Number one on the list was an unhealthy desire to have firearms. But we should ignore those mental health warnings because that would infringe on the mentally ill that don't go shoot people.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Did you read the several times where I suggested that it is time you started answering a few questions rather than just asking them of others?

That’s asking too much, H20 is a Conservative Activist, they do now answer questions, they just copy and paste and occasionally post a silly comment. And I use the term occasionally loosley. Cool

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@BillRM,

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Sorry there was all kind of mental health warning existing for any numbers of the mass killers long before their deeds.

There are all sorts of people with mental health warnings running around America right now...and most of them can get weapons with no trouble at all.

Can you suggest which of them should be allowed access to guns...and which should have that right limited?

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It would be helpful to have a far better mental health treatment system but the anti-firearm people wish to go for the simple solution of limiting guns access however once more a few dollars of gasoline had killed 97 people in New York not all that long ago.

If you can suggest a way to identify the people whose access should be limited or monitored...I would gladly consider it. But limiting everyone, the nuts and the non-nuts, might make a dent in the problem.

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@oralloy,

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Won't be my problem when they get massacred.

Exactly wrong, and it'll be your fault too, and the fault of those who share your opinions.

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@parados,

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Number one on the list was an unhealthy desire to have firearms.

Good one, Parados.

Some go so far as to say they will do whatever the NRA tells them to do.

The indicators are there! We have got to start reading them...and limiting access if possible.

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@H2O MAN,

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It's a shame Mr. James allowed himself to be bullied, I'm sure he will regret it for the rest of his days.

What justification have you for saying such a thing about another man? From whence does such unrelieved arrogance come from?

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@jcboy,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5224326)
Frank Apisa wrote:

Did you read the several times where I suggested that it is time you started answering a few questions rather than just asking them of others?

That’s asking too much, H20 is a Conservative Activist, they do now answer questions, they just copy and paste and occasionally post a silly comment. And I use the term occasionally loosley.

I really wish he would start responding to some questions...but all he does is to fire more questions and present his opinions as facts.

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

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Won't be my problem when they get massacred.

Exactly wrong, and it'll be your fault too, and the fault of those who share your opinions.

Sharing an opinion creats fault ?

To be free of fault u must agree with McTag ?

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@parados,

parados wrote:

BillRM wrote:
Sorry there was all kind of mental health warning existing for any numbers of the mass killers long before their deeds.

Number one on the list was an unhealthy desire to have firearms. But we should ignore those mental health warnings because that would infringe on the mentally ill that don't go shoot people.

What is it about freedom haters that they have to be so childish when they aren't allowed to violate people's civil rights?

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

oralloy wrote:
Won't be my problem when they get massacred.

Exactly wrong, and it'll be your fault too, and the fault of those who share your opinions.

Nope. Won't be my fault, won't be my problem, and anyone who comes to me whining about it will be mocked and laughed at.

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@parados,

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Number one on the list was an unhealthy desire to have firearms

So those 100 millions plus US gun owners are mental ill and in danger of doing mass killings at any moment?

With that many mass killers to be it is surprising that anyone is still alive.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

What is it about freedom haters that they have to be so childish when they aren't allowed to violate people's civil rights?

What is it about gun nuts that they don't want to actually look at the symptoms of mental illness while claiming they are for not letting the mentally ill get guns?

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@Val Killmore,

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Woulldn't a table with the USA on it, and more up to date,be more useful?
It's odd you don't post the source (although I can tell it's from the Daily Mail I can't find the article (and the table itself gives three different sources for the numbers - which probably means three different methodologies and we don't know how the data was normalised between them AND on of the sources is 'Conservatives'))

Anyway I googled something about the USA's violent crime stats for 2012 and found this on CNN U.S. violent crime up for first time in years which has this paragraph

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Statistics showed that the rate of assault victims increased from 19.3 per 1,000 persons to 22.5 per 1,000 last year.

Now math isn't my strong suit but wouldn't that be 2250 per hundred thousand?

And that's not addressing the issue of the definition of violent crime or gun involvement - you're just muddying the waters to obscure the central issue. But what choice do you have? To paraphrase Colbert "Quoting facts undermines my position."

Apologies in advance if I've misrepresented your opinion - I don't read most of what you post, but sometimes the rude words and the pictures catch my eye and the above picture is what I'm commenting on.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Number one on the list was an unhealthy desire to have firearms

So those 100 millions plus US gun owners are mental ill and in danger of doing mass killings at any moment?

With that many mass killers to be if is surprising that anyone is still alive.

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Perhaps you don't know the difference between healthy and unhealthy. That would be another sign of mental illness. The inability to differentiate between good and bad.

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@Frank Apisa,

I suggest that the first step should be to have a mental health system when someone reached out for help they get that help then we can go from there.

Guns are a secondary issue as once more there have been very large scale mass killings that have zero to do with firearms.

You going to keep people from buying gasoline or normal household materials that can be turn into IEDs and so on?

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