Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@ehBeth,

I wonder why no Mexico?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Number one on the list was an unhealthy desire to have firearms.

Good one, Parados.

Some go so far as to say they will do whatever the NRA tells them to do.

The indicators are there! We have got to start reading them...and limiting access if possible.

Over the years, decades & ceuturies, I have vehemently disagreed with NRA and complained to it, refusing additional funding
based upon its long standing practice of compromizing away (like Neville Chamberlain) our natural rights and our Constitutional rights.

The 2nd Amendment Foundation is not as bad.

NRA needs to have the courage of its convictions.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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To be free of fault u must agree with McTag ?

That's the closest you've come to your senses in quite a while.

When everyone has free access to guns and ammo, a certain proportion of the population will misuse them. And that's a lot of people.
If you want the killing to stop, and most people do, there are only two credible courses of action.
1. Shoot the shooters (always after the event of shooting, notice) and we know from experience that planning for that does not work.
2. Take away the guns.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

What is it about gun nuts that they don't want to actually look at the symptoms of mental illness while claiming they are for not letting the mentally ill get guns?

Wanting to have a gun is not a sign of mental illness, and if you think it is, then your hatred of our freedom rivals the hatred that Barack Obama and the 9/11 attackers also have for our freedom.

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@McTag,

If, as u advise, their guns r stolen,
then thay will get more guns, the same as thay replaced
stolen alcohol, marijuana or heroin.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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NRA needs to have the courage of its convictions.

What you need Dave is to knock off being so pretentiously extreme in order to shock everybody.

You'll be telling us next that the emergency services should be scrapped and the events we use them for should be allowed to work themselves out in a natural way.

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@McTag,

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2. Take away the guns.

LOL the same logic could be apply to gasoline or everyday items that can be turn into IEDs.

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@McTag,

P.S.:
Everyone already HAS free access to guns & ammo.
Its not always legal.

David

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@parados,

parados wrote:

BillRM wrote:

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Number one on the list was an unhealthy desire to have firearms

So those 100 millions plus US gun owners are mental ill and in danger of doing mass killings at any moment?

With that many mass killers to be if is surprising that anyone is still alive.

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Perhaps you don't know the difference between healthy and unhealthy. That would be another sign of mental illness. The inability to differentiate between good and bad.

OK,

the health of every single American that voted for Obama in this last election is suspect, all of them need to be judged healthy or unhealthy individually.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

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NRA needs to have the courage of its convictions.

What you need Dave
is to knock off being so pretentiously extreme in order to shock everybody.

I need oxygen, water, food & sleep; I don 't need THAT.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
parados wrote:
Number one on the list was an unhealthy desire to have firearms.

Good one, Parados.

Some go so far as to say they will do whatever the NRA tells them to do.

The indicators are there! We have got to start reading them...and limiting access if possible.

Is Frank Apisa still sniping at me because I denounced his incessant lying?

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Over the years, decades & ceuturies, I have vehemently disagreed with NRA and complained to it, refusing additional funding based upon its long standing practice of compromizing away (like Neville Chamberlain) our natural rights and our Constitutional rights.

The 2nd Amendment Foundation is not as bad.

NRA needs to have the courage of its convictions.

The NRA does compromise quite a lot. But look at what they achieve through their pragmatism. By being willing to compromise, they are the most potent defenders of the Second Amendment when it comes to the legislature.

The Second Amendment Foundation is more of a force in the courts than in the legislature. If you want a "no compromise" advocate in the legislature, your best bet is Gun Owners of America.

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

If you want the killing to stop, and most people do, there are only two credible courses of action.
1. Shoot the shooters (always after the event of shooting, notice) and we know from experience that planning for that does not work.
2. Take away the guns.

You ignore the reality that people kill just as much without guns as they do with guns. But regardless, America would not be giving up our freedom even if it did make a notable difference.

Look, you don't like freedom, and you have exactly what you want. Be happy in that.

We are not going to be joining you in your lack of freedom.

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@BillRM,

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I suggest that the first step should be to have a mental health system when someone reached out for help they get that help then we can go from there.

We already have a mental health care system that is available to people. What makes you think we don't?

We need better health care insurance coverage, preferably universal health care insurance through a government option, so that everyone can financially afford the care. The same Republicans who opposed that idea are also the ones opposing better gun control. And the NRA wants to block physicians, which includes psychiatrists, from even asking their patients about gun ownership.

And problems accessing mental health care have not been true of our recent mass shooters...

James Holmes, the Aurora movie theater murderer was in psychiatric treatment at the same time he was purchasing his guns and almost 7,000 rounds of ammunition.

Adam Lanza, who committed the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, was from an affluent family that could easily access the best mental health care.

The Virginia Tech shooter had repeated contacts with mental health professionals...

The problem is that two of these people had easy access to the purchase of weaponry that they used in their rampages, and the third had easy access in his home, and his mother had no problems acquiring her high power firearms.

The problem is the easy availability of the weapons...guns.

Do you want mandatory mental health testing/evaluation/screening of everyone who purchases a firearm and ammunition? That might help.

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Guns are a secondary issue as once more there have been very large scale mass killings that have zero to do with firearms.

Guns are not a secondary issue in discussing our country's problem with gun violence--we have gun violence in this country on a daily basis.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

McTag wrote:
If you want the killing to stop, and most people do, there are only two credible courses of action.
1. Shoot the shooters (always after the event of shooting, notice) and we know from experience that planning for that does not work.
2. Take away the guns.

You ignore the reality that people kill just as much without guns as they do with guns.

I believe guns come in a close second to blunt objects like hammers, clubs, bats
and bare hands, or maybe it's the other way around. Either way, evil has it's way.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
NRA needs to have the courage of its convictions.

What you need Dave is to knock off being so pretentiously extreme in order to shock everybody.

Refusal to compromise on civil rights is hardly extreme.

The NRA's pragmatism and willingness to compromise has made them a formidable force in the defense of liberty. But that does not mean there is no merit in making a no-compromise stand in the defense of liberty.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

parados wrote:
What is it about gun nuts that they don't want to actually look at the symptoms of mental illness while claiming they are for not letting the mentally ill get guns?

Wanting to have a gun is not a sign of mental illness, and if you think it is, then your hatred of our freedom rivals the hatred that Barack Obama and the 9/11 attackers also have for our freedom.

Inability to see things other than black and white is also a sign of mental illness. I never said simply wanting a gun is a sign of mental illness. Perhaps you should get yourself checked out. You seem incapable of rational thought.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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2. Take away the guns.

LOL the same logic could be apply to gasoline or everyday items that can be turn into IEDs.

And when those items are misused we do control who can have them.
You can't go buy TNT down at your local hardware store. And since we restricted purchases we have not had a single person blowing up schools with dynamite.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

OK,

the health of every single American that voted for Obama in this last election is suspect, all of them need to be judged healthy or unhealthy individually.

How many people have been killed by known Obama voters?

Obsession is a sign of mental illness. You seem to be obsessed with Obama supporters being bad.

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@oralloy,

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You ignore the reality that people kill just as much without guns as they do with guns.

You keep repeating that when there is no evidence to support it. Belief in things that aren't true is a sign of mental illness. Combine that with an obsession for guns and we see what is likely to be the next mass shooter.

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Question: if David Gregory were a young inner city black American, do
you think he would have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?

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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

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