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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
spendius
 
  2  
Mon 31 Dec, 2012 05:50 pm
@oralloy,
Not up for answering the question eh oralloy?

"Never really thought about it". Sheesh.

Better not I suppose.
spendius
 
  2  
Mon 31 Dec, 2012 05:51 pm
@oralloy,
The ostrich approach.

It suits you I must say.
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JTT
 
  0  
Mon 31 Dec, 2012 05:57 pm
@oralloy,
Which cousin have you chosen to wed? Does she have all her teeth or suitable replacements? Does she approve of your semen slurping ways? Does she approve of your "job", sitting in your Mom's basement, whacking off to the December playmate of the month, Schnauserfatsen 50 cal from [Guns Guns Guns magazine] with all available accessories?
oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 31 Dec, 2012 06:11 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Not up for answering the question eh oralloy?


I thought I did answer it.



spendius wrote:
"Never really thought about it". Sheesh.


That's true. I hadn't. But I gave you a first impression answer anyway:

"I'm all for letting gun ads run on TV. Not sure if they'd be exciting, but they might be informative about new designs that are coming out."
oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 31 Dec, 2012 06:12 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Which cousin have you chosen to wed? Does she have all her teeth or suitable replacements? Does she approve of your semen slurping ways? Does she approve of your "job", sitting in your Mom's basement, whacking off to the December playmate of the month, Schnauserfatsen 50 cal from [Guns Guns Guns magazine] with all available accessories?


JTT, stop being a creep.
JTT
 
  0  
Mon 31 Dec, 2012 06:33 pm
@oralloy,
Once again, you bristle at the truth.
parados
 
  2  
Mon 31 Dec, 2012 06:35 pm
@oralloy,
Why is it constitutional to ban guns in some places but not others? If some public places can ban guns then by extension all public places can ban guns.
spendius
 
  2  
Mon 31 Dec, 2012 06:39 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
That's true. I hadn't. But I gave you a first impression answer anyway:


Now I have mentioned the matter what is your second impression given you have now had more time?

Is the ban on gun advertising on TV constitutional or not?
oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 31 Dec, 2012 07:09 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Once again, you bristle at the truth.


There is nothing truthful about your creepy name-calling.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 31 Dec, 2012 07:10 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Why is it constitutional to ban guns in some places but not others?


It depends if the ban passes muster with the appropriate standard of review.



parados wrote:
If some public places can ban guns then by extension all public places can ban guns.


Your previous post suggested "everywhere", not just "in public places".

But regardless, same answer. A public place would have to have some sort of compelling reason in order to ban guns.
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oralloy
 
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Mon 31 Dec, 2012 07:14 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Now I have mentioned the matter what is your second impression given you have now had more time?

Is the ban on gun advertising on TV constitutional or not?


I haven't had time to give it real thought, but my first take is "not".

If a gun manufacturer wanted to go to court in defense of their First Amendment rights, I think they would likely win.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 1 Jan, 2013 01:43 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

That's easy enough to comply with. Just say you want it for hunting (if it is for hunting). Or else say you want it for self defense.

It's no real barrier to someone getting a gun.
That's fine with me - we don't have it different here since ages
For self defense could be a little bit difficult, since we (and the Swiss) have different laws there. That's why you have to explain that you fear to get attacked with "a deadly weapon" ....
For hunting, you need an extra examination.
oralloy
 
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Tue 1 Jan, 2013 02:14 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
For self defense could be a little bit difficult, since we (and the Swiss) have different laws there. That's why you have to explain that you fear to get attacked with "a deadly weapon" ....
For hunting, you need an extra examination.


Where is the Swiss law requiring someone to explain a specific fear before buying a defensive weapon?

Likewise the law requiring an extra examination before buying a hunting weapon?
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 1 Jan, 2013 03:40 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Where is the Swiss law requiring someone to explain a specific fear before buying a defensive weapon?
It's in the formula, which you have to fulfil.
oralloy wrote:

Likewise the law requiring an extra examination before buying a hunting weapon?
Hunting weapons are only sold to hunters (see the law).

The examination is called "Jagdprüfung". The duration differs in the Kantons, but generally it lasts over 15 months.
The costs vary, too, but 1.500 Swiss Francs is the average.

The legal basis is the federal Bundesgesetz über die Jagd und den Schutz wildlebender Säugetiere und Vögel in combination with state laws.
And since the hunting law (Jagdrecht) is a "sovereign right" (Hoheitsrecht), it's regulated by the Kantons ... differently (actually, there are just three different kinds).

Only in the Canton of Geneva hunting isn't allowed for private persons at all. (Since more than 40 years now.)
oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 1 Jan, 2013 04:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Where is the Swiss law requiring someone to explain a specific fear before buying a defensive weapon?


It's in the formula, which you have to fulfil.


I only see a requirement that a reason be stated. What happens if someone states they want protection from burglars? Is the mere statement enough? Or do they need to convince some official to agree that there is some special danger?



Walter Hinteler wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Likewise the law requiring an extra examination before buying a hunting weapon?


Hunting weapons are only sold to hunters (see the law).


I'm not finding that in the law. Is there an article number?



Walter Hinteler wrote:
The examination is called "Jagdprüfung". The duration differs in the Kantons, but generally it lasts over 15 months.
The costs vary, too, but 1.500 Swiss Francs is the average.

The legal basis is the federal Bundesgesetz über die Jagd und den Schutz wildlebender Säugetiere und Vögel in combination with state laws.
And since the hunting law (Jagdrecht) is a "sovereign right" (Hoheitsrecht), it's regulated by the Kantons ... differently (actually, there are just three different kinds).

Only in the Canton of Geneva hunting isn't allowed for private persons at all. (Since more than 40 years now.)


That sounds like a standard license to hunt. That is probably normal.

But I don't find the requirement that only hunters can buy a hunting weapon.
McTag
 
  2  
Tue 1 Jan, 2013 05:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,

Quote:
For hunting, you need an extra examination.


Oralloy definitely needs that, by a good psychiatrist.
McTag
 
  2  
Tue 1 Jan, 2013 05:23 am
@McTag,

Quote:
A gun is a machine for killing people. Sophisticated, refined, super-efficient.

"Machines for killing people don't kill people. People kill people."

What a strange slogan.


An example of very twisted thinking.

Looking forward to the day when a good majority of Americans wake up.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 1 Jan, 2013 05:57 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

I only see a requirement that a reason be stated. What happens if someone states they want protection from burglars? Is the mere statement enough? Or do they need to convince some official to agree that there is some special danger?
As said, the (European and) Swiss legal definition of self defence is different to that you use. against burglars, police protection departments give you good and free advice ...
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 1 Jan, 2013 06:01 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

That sounds like a standard license to hunt. That is probably normal.

But I don't find the requirement that only hunters can buy a hunting weapon.
I don't know why you call it "probably normal" - we (and the Swiss) know such since centuries.

Hunters buy their weapons without any other license than their hunting licence. It might well be that non-hunters can buy hunting weapons. But I think it to be difficult to explain, why you need a specialised hunting weapon if you're not a hunter.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 1 Jan, 2013 07:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
And the latest.

Quote:
A 74-year-old US landlord has shot dead two teenage tenants after an argument about snow-shovelling, police say.

James Pak walked into the couple's flat attached to his house in Maine, and said he was going to shoot them before carrying out his threat, police said.

He has been charged with murdering 19-year-old Derrick Thompson, and his girlfriend, Alivia Welch, 18.

Mr Thompson's mother, Susan Johnson, survived Saturday's shootings by playing dead after she was shot.

The 44-year-old, who shared the Biddeford flat with the two victims and her six-year-old son, said she had hidden behind a Christmas tree.

Mr Pak allegedly told police he spared the boy's life but thought he had killed the three adults, AP reported.

Police had been called to the home after Mr Thompson reported Mr Pak was threatening him and banging on windows, but they left when the teenager told them he did not fear his landlord.

Moments later, they received a call from Ms Johnson telling them of the shootings.

They had reportedly been arguing over late rent, shovelling snow and parking cars in the drive, police said.

The defendant, a stonemason, is being held without bail after refusing to enter a plea during a court appearance on Monday in York County Superior Court.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20880293
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