Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

However, it should be noted that Prohibition is unique in two respects. Not only is it the only time we modified the Constitution to reject freedom, it is also the only time we then rejected a Constitutional change and went back to the old way of doing things.

Getting that permit is as easy as passing a background check.

Getting that permit is as easy as passing a background check.

oralloy wrote:

That's nice and vague. Which gun laws?

And do the people polled even have a basic grasp of what current laws are?

This dissembling is every bit the equal of lying, of patent dishonesty, Oralloy.

Frank Apisa accused you, accurately, of the very thing that he beats the pants off you for.

People don't have to be completely up to speed on the ins and outs of every topic they are polled on.

oralloy wrote:

However, it should be noted that Prohibition is unique in two respects. Not only is it the only time we modified the Constitution to reject freedom, it is also the only time we then rejected a Constitutional change and went back to the old way of doing things.

But for that to make sense from your point of view you need to say that the need to have a gun is as strong as the need to have a drink. And that all the reasons given for people drinking apply also to gun owning.

Which makes the reasons for gun owning psychological and because such psychology does not apply to 60,000,000 other human beings in the UK, demonstrated by no moves being afoot in the UK to repeal our gun laws, and there would be to repeal alcohol prohibition, then the psychology is specific to the US.

And why are gun ads prohibited on TV? They have the potential to be quite exciting. You must be in favour of lifting such an unconstitutional restriction surely?

oralloy wrote:

Getting that permit is as easy as passing a background check.

Well, you're the first I've heard to say such. Might be, though, that some Kantons don't do it properly. But certainly such would be against Federal Swiss Law.

Btw: a background check is done already for the 'normal' weapon permit (see article 8 of the law).

And I'd really like, if you look at the articel 5, which lists all those weapons

But here are pictures ....

It's really quite easy:
- if you want a sporting weapon as a member of a sport shooting club or sport shooting association,

Actually, I'm pointing out that the courts currently ban all guns from being carried. Is that a ban or not?

Shouldn't we plan on putting the same gun laws in the rest of the country that exist in the courts.

Questioning the vagueness of a poll is hardly lying.

While it is true that his dishonesty vastly exceeds mine,

appropriate standards of scrutiny.

oralloy wrote:

Questioning the vagueness of a poll is hardly lying.

It's simply your general habit of dissembling which is just another manner of lying.

oralloy wrote:

While it is true that his dishonesty vastly exceeds mine,

We can quibble about numbers or ranges but your Freudian slip tells all.

oralloy wrote:

appropriate standards of scrutiny.

What the constitution gives is not absolute.

It can take away as fast as it gives.

This graphic shows the guns that I am saying Swiss people can get with a mere background check.

But for that to make sense from your point of view you need to say that the need to have a gun is as strong as the need to have a drink.

oralloy wrote:

This graphic shows the guns that I am saying Swiss people can get with a mere background check.

I'm glad that the Swiss have laws and don't follow what you say.

Additionally to the background check, you must add
- your reasons for the request,
- against what kind of danger you want to use them,
- then you must describe the kind of weapon (pistol/revolver, gun, knife) and why you want exactly that one.

The bill of rights and particularly the 2'nd amendment were conditions for the formation of the union. Take any part of that away, and the union itself is illegitimate.

Where is the law that forbids them from buying a semi-auto rifle or a semi-auto shotgun (aside from the requirement that they first pass a background check)?

Oralboy, you're woefully ignorant of your own history and you're American to boot, which pretty much means that you are ignorant of most things outside which cousin you aim to marry.