Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

The US has a long history of doing that, Oralboy. Also murdering, raping, torturing, poisoning, ... .

You know Farmerman you had seen not fit to reply to a question of mine as to whether without using any firearm of any type you could not come up with a means of mass killings of children in a public school building or not.

If you think you would have that ability why do you think for a moment that the mass killers that for whatever their emotional sickness tend to be well over the average level of intellect also do not have similar abilities.

In Switzerland, you can buy only the ammunition which is appropriate for the weapon you've got the allowance for. (chapter 3, article 15 of the Swiss Weapons Law)
On shooting ranges, it's the same (article 16, changed in 2004, in force since 2008). But here, it's just the shooting association which is responsible for seeing that an "appropriate control" is taken.

Similar here in Germany, France, Netherlands, Austria, Belgium, ...

There seems to be a non existent data base about mass bludgeonings. Whether or not "I think it could happen" is irrelevant

What is it about cosmetic features like a pistol grip and flash suppressor that have you so upset? You know very well that such features are harmless.





We've been doing that since the 1930s.





The NRA does not oppose efforts to have background checks for all sales at gun shows, so long as the government is required to complete the check within 24 hours.





The Second Amendment will never be changed or repealed. It will continue, in its original form, for as long as the United States exists.

Getting the 45 ACP and 7.6 ammo is done by getting the ammo at the armories, then all weapons are kept in storage by each militiaman. Ive heard that some have group "Hidey holes" for their guns and then they divvy up the reponsibility for one or two deputized as quartermasters . BUT, the nme of the game is that the govt DOES make spot checks. SO, the overll effect is one of control of the guns issued.
Sportsmen in Switzerland can shoot upland game and sheep but these are all controlled by "BAg limits" like in Canada nd US

LOL if someone had yet to do a type of possible attacked we should just pretend it could not happen until we have a room or two rooms of dead children.

Second, it is clearly possible to killed defenseless children by hitting them with a club and somehow if I do the research there is little question in my mind that I could not sooner or later find example of that happening in the past.

Currently the Supreme Court allows guns to be banned in court buildings.
Why should court buildings have a different standard than school buildings?

No. Such is done like in all other European countries by hunters, you have to get a special "hunting/shooting licence" (in Switzerland done by the Canton [state]). A German, Liechtenstein or Austrian "hunting/shooting licence" is valid in Switzerland as well.

Sportsmen can only shoot at (indoor and outdoor) shooting ranges .... if they don't have undertaken additionally the special exams for hunting.

e aree on LArge Capacity clips NO? (So why do you try to sneak in other **** without mentioning large capacity clips?)
Pistol grips and flash surpressors are also military use components , as are truncated barrels with screw fittings for silencers and surpressors

having control means "Effective control" we have laws bout xplosives and we seem to let some RDX slip by the FEL provisions.

Therev been several tens of incidents in Philly and Camden NJ where full auto eapons ere the weapons used and where several kids were killed as collateral damage to hopped up drug dealers.

We have NO effective gun controls now and NRA aint helping the sad state of affairs

You dont really know do you?? NRA was a singular roadblock to having a law in Pa passed just last year where a purchaser was limited to 50 guns a month and where any gun stolen or lost had to be reported when the loss was realized.

NRA seems to be "for" anything that doesnt affect the sales of guns

Thats what they said about slavery nd Prohibition

I like that one

Examples of mass deaths without a firearm in sight including a school building and 37 children.

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The Happy Land fire was an arson fire that killed 87 people trapped in an unlicensed social club called "Happy Land" (at 1959 Southern Boulevard) in the West Farms section of The Bronx, New York, on March 25, 1990. Most of the victims were young ethnic Hondurans celebrating Carnival.[1] Unemployed Cuban refugee Julio González, whose former girlfriend was employed at the club, was arrested shortly after and ultimately convicted of arson and murder.

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2 Aftermath
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[edit] IncidentBefore the blaze, Happy Land was ordered closed for building code violations in November 1988. Violations included no fire exits, alarms or sprinkler system. No follow-up by the fire department was documented.[2]

The evening of the fire, González had argued with his former girlfriend, Lydia Feliciano, a coat check girl at the club, urging her to quit. She claimed that she had had enough of him and wanted nothing to do with him anymore. González tried to fight back into the club but was ejected by the bouncer. He was heard to scream drunken threats in the process. González was enraged, not just because of losing Lydia, but also because he had recently lost his job at a lamp factory, was impoverished, and had virtually no companions.[citation needed] González returned to the establishment with a plastic container of gasoline which he found on the ground and had filled at a gas station. He spread the fuel on the only staircase into the club. Two matches were then used to ignite the gasoline.[citation needed]

The fire exits had been blocked to prevent people from entering without paying the cover charge. In the panic that ensued, a few people escaped by breaking a metal gate over one door.[citation needed]

González then returned home, took off his gasoline-soaked clothes and fell asleep. He was arrested the following afternoon after authorities interviewed Lydia Feliciano and learned of the previous night's argument. Once advised of his rights, he admitted to starting the blaze. A psychological examination found him to be not responsible due to mental illness or defect;[citation needed] but the jury, after deliberation, found him to be criminally responsible.

[edit] AftermathGonzález was charged with 174 counts of murder—two for each victim—and was found guilty on 87 counts of arson and 87 counts of murder on August 19, 1991. For each count he received the sentence maximum of 25 years to life (a total of 4,350 years). It was the most substantial prison term ever imposed in the state of New York. He will be eligible for parole in March 2015 because New York law states that multiple murders occurring during one act will be served concurrently, rather than consecutively.[3]

The building that housed Happy Land club was managed in part by Jay Weiss, at the time the husband of actress Kathleen Turner.[4] The New Yorker quoted Turner saying that "the fire was unfortunate but could have happened at a McDonald's."[5] The building's owner, Alex DiLorenzo 3rd, and leaseholders Weiss and Morris Jaffe, were found not criminally responsible, since they had tried to close the club and evict the tenant.[6] In 1987, Weiss and Jaffe's company, Little Peach Realty Inc., leased the building space for seven years to the club owner, Elias Colon, who died in the fire.[4][7] An eviction trial against Mr. Colon had been scheduled to start on March 28.[4]
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Julio Gonzalez (87) Cuban born Gonzalez came to the United States in the 1980 Mariel boat lift. Ten years later, in a fit of jealousy, he killed eighty-seven partiers. Pissed off at his ex-girlfriend, Lydia Feliciano, who was dancing with someone else, Julio bought a buck's worth of gasoline and torched the Bronx's Happy Land Social Club killing nearly everyone inside. Only six survived. As luck would have it, one of them was lucky Lydia, his ex-girlfriend.
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Andrew Kehoe (45) The first mad bomber in U.S. soil, on May 18, 1927, Andy blew up a school in Bath, Michigan, killing 45 people, 37 of them children. After detonating explosives he planted under the school, "maniac bomber" Andrew Kehoe, a school board member and treasurer and farmer, blew up his pickup truck, killing himself and the Bath School superintendent.
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Humberto de la Torre (25) 21-year-old Humberto torched the Dorothy Mae Apartment Hotel in downtown Los Angeles in 1982 after a dispute with his uncle who managed the building. The blaze killed 25 residents and got Humberto a 625-year sentence.

Anton Probst (8+) The axe murders in 1866 near Philadelphia were unprecedented. Anton Probst, a farm hand, systematically lured all eight members of the Deering family into a barn, then axed them to death. Beginning about 8:00 in the morning and finishing around 1:30 p.m., he then went into the farmhouse and put on Mr. Deering's fine clothes, sat down and ate the food in their kitchen (a man's got to eat), then plundered the house one room at a time until evening.

He then went into Philadelphia to his favorite saloon, bought drinks for the house with his new found wealth, gambled and lost at bagatelle (an early form of pool) and then treated himself to a lady of the evening until the following morning when he was thrown out of the whorehouse almost penniless. Managing to come up with more money for whoring for the next five days, Probst was finally captured and subsequently hanged, His body was then used for chilling medical experiments at the local college.

Strong evidence also suggests he was also a cold-blooded serial killer who roamed the east coast and enjoyed butchering families.
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Mamoru Takuma (8) On June 8, 2001, Mamoru Takuma Armed with a kitchen knife,burst into an elementary school in Osaka, Japan, slashing eight children to death and wounding 18 other children and three adults. Takuma, 37, was subdued by a vice principal and a teacher before police arrived. He was arrested at the scene, but was taken to a hospital, reportedly with self-inflicted injuries. The victims -- six girls and two boys -- were first- or second-grade students, ranging in age from 6 to 8. Two children were killed immediately and another six died at hospitals after the attack. Six more victims were in serious condition.

Police said the suspect, who had a long history of metal illness, worked as a janitor at an elementary school in a nearby city about two years ago but was fired after he spiking the tea of four teachers with tranquilizers. He was arrested at the time but was never prosecuted because he was mentally unstable.

Takuma told police he had taken 10 times his daily dose of an unspecified anti-depressant before heading out to the school. He allegedly said he was "sick of everything" and "wanted to be caught and executed." He told police he had attempted suicide several times but failed to kill himself

The stabbings occurred shortly after classes began at the elementary school. The attacker allegedly climbed into a first-grade classroom during a recess and began slashing children in the back of the room, and then moved into a hallway. Several children were slashed in their sides and arms as he moved into other classrooms. As the attacker tussled with two teachers, school officials called police and rushed the children out to the playground.

Within minutes after the attack, a cashier at a nearby grocery said a group of terrified, bloodied children ran into the store. "I saw one of them, a boy, with blood all over his body," said Ikiyo Iriye, 23. "He had been stabbed in the back."

On December 19, 2001, Takuma pleaded guilty in the Osaka District Court to stabbing eight children to death. Though he had a history of schizophrenia, but psychiatrists reportedly determined he could tell right from wrong and was fit to stand trial. The attack led to calls for greater security at schools. Takuma allegedly entered the school unopposed and went from classroom to classroom knifing children.

People who never owned a gun...

• Lizzie Bordon
  
• Jack the Ripper
  
• Lucrezia Borgia
  
• Tamerlane
  
• Genghis Khan
  
• Oktai Khan
  
• Subudai
  
• Attila the Hun
  
• Ragnar Lothbrok
  
• Genseric the Vandal
  

The list is actually longer than that....

Perhaps people should be banned Bill.

I have been watching the Ken Burns film about the Civil War most of the day. It was incomprehensible.

Why didn't Lincoln just declare all the slaves free and with equal rights and let nature take its course?

What, in a federation? It wasn't in his gift. The slaves were privately owned.

A gun is a machine for killing people. Sophisticated, refined, super-efficient.

"Machines for killing people don't kill people. People kill people."

What a strange slogan.

That only covers the ammo issued by the government. It would not cover ammo bought as a civilian.





I'm sure that there are limits on the amount of game killed, but that is not exactly a limit on the amount of ammo that can be purchased.