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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:47 pm
@raprap,
raprap the retard wrote:
Liar


Nope. My comment was entirely true.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:49 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
You get childish when people call you on your lies.


Really!

No one has called me on any lies...so how would you know that?
raprap
 
  2  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:50 pm
@oralloy,
The rule of Oraboy

Quote:
“Anybody who says they are a good liar obviously is not, because any legitimately savvy liar would always insist they're honest about everything.”
― Chuck Klosterman


Rap
oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:52 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
A Springville, Utah, police officer had a non-service gun in his home that officials said did not have external safeties. His 2-year-old son found the gun and shot himself on Sept. 11. The names of the father and son were not released at the time of the shooting.


Gasp. Better disarm the police right away.



firefly wrote:
Obama has tapped Vice President Joe Biden to shape the administration’s response to the Newtown massacre. The administration will push to tighten gun laws, many that have faced resistance in Congress for years. The solutions may include reinstating a ban on assault-style rifles, closing gun buying background check loopholes and restricting high-capacity magazines.


Unconstitutional bans on assault weapons are no solution.

And it has already been decided that it's not going to happen.

Remains to be seen how the other measures turn out.
oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:56 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
oralloy wrote:
You get childish when people call you on your lies.


Really!


Yep.



Frank Apisa wrote:
No one has called me on any lies...so how would you know that?


I call you on your lies on a regular basis. That's why you throw your little temper tantrums.
oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:57 pm
@raprap,
raprap the retard wrote:
The rule of Oraboy

Quote:
“Anybody who says they are a good liar obviously is not, because any legitimately savvy liar would always insist they're honest about everything.”
― Chuck Klosterman


Nope. I say I'm honest because I genuinely tell the truth.
raprap
 
  2  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:59 pm
@oralloy,
and, apparently delusional.

Rap
oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 10:08 pm
@raprap,
raprap wrote:
and, apparently delusional.

Rap


Nope. My ethics are no delusion.

Hey, no name-calling this time. Much better.
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firefly
 
  2  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 10:26 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Unconstitutional bans on assault weapons are no solution.

And it has already been decided that it's not going to happen.


So why do you think all these people are rushing out to buy assault weapons and high capacity ammunition clips?

Are they all paranoid? Deluded? Dumb? Fanatical gun nuts?
oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 10:30 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Unconstitutional bans on assault weapons are no solution.

And it has already been decided that it's not going to happen.


So why do you think all these people are rushing out to buy assault weapons and high capacity ammunition clips?

Are they all paranoid? Deluded? Dumb? Fanatical gun nuts?


The clips might still be banned. That has yet to be decided.

As for the guns, I would characterize those people as "mistaken" if they believe that they will ultimately be banned.
firefly
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 10:31 pm
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 10:42 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
The clips might still be banned. That has yet to be decided

when i can get a 73 round magazine for an AK 47 for $80 today I dont think that a ban is going to change much but increase the price a tad.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/73-rd-ak-47-drum-mag.aspx?a=974953

note: every single 30+ round product is sold out and back ordered.

firefly
 
  2  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 10:46 pm
Quote:
According to the criminologists, the 1990s had the highest number of mass public shootings with a little more than 40 -- an average of a little more than 4 each year.

The number of mass public shootings dropped below 30 in the years between 2000 and 2009.

"This year, however, the U.S. has had at least seven mass public shootings, which is the highest number since 1999," Duwe said.

http://news.discovery.com/history/mass-shootings-history-121220.html
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oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 10:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
oralloy wrote:
The clips might still be banned. That has yet to be decided


when i can get a 73 round magazine for an AK 47 for $80 today I dont think that a ban is going to change much but increase the price a tad.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/73-rd-ak-47-drum-mag.aspx?a=974953

note: every single 30+ round product is sold out and back ordered.


One thing I think will change is a big step up in firepower. Why choose 10 rounds of .223 over 10 rounds of .308?
Val Killmore
 
  0  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 11:31 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:

...

Webster said children are more likely to die by gunfire at home or in the street. They tend to be safer when they are in school, he said.

...

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2012/12/gunfire_kills_young_children_d.html



I'd also like to add in 2005, 575 children under the age of 5 were killed in the US. The number one perpetrator with 295 incidents was the children's parents. This coming from www.ojp.usdoj.gov
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/children.cfm

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/kidsrel.png

I have spent a lot of time on the internet trying to find this information, It would be nice if we could find journalists that are interested in informing the American public instead of just selling their own agenda's. And unfortunately this is a social problem that has viral implications, neither the left or the right are interested in sharing ALL such facts.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 26 Dec, 2012 01:19 am
@Val Killmore,
Val Killmore wrote:

I have spent a lot of time on the internet trying to find this information, It would be nice if we could find journalists that are interested in informing the American public instead of just selling their own agenda's. And unfortunately this is a social problem that has viral implications, neither the left or the right are interested in sharing ALL such facts.
Just a look at wikipedia would have given this information, too.
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Wed 26 Dec, 2012 02:50 am
@firefly,
hawkeye says of firefly's stories of people murdered since the Newtown massacre:
Quote:
there are 315 million people in this country, you are hiding in the stories of a few very select individuals yet again.


No, she's not at all. And there aren't "a few very select individuals" either. There are many, many.

About 12,000 gun homicides in the US every year. That's about 240 a week. That means about 500 people have died by gun violence in the US since Newtown.

About 18ooo gun suicides every year. That's about 350 a week.

About 100,000 people wounded by gunshot every year. That's about 2000 a week..

That is NOT "a few very select individuals".

Do the math. That's around 130,000 people murdered by guns in the US since 9/11. That's forty times as many as died at the hands of the terrorists who brought down the Twin Towers. They were pikers by comparison. The REAL terrorists are the people with guns, who use them on other people, and there are a hell of a lot more of them in this country than Islamic terrorists. "To take away my guns, you'll have to pry them out of my cold, dead fingers". It's about time to take them at their word and start prying.
BillRM
 
  2  
Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:46 am
@firefly,
Quote:
What makes you think old people can't become mad killers, particularly when they are empowered with military style assault weapons? You think there's an age limit to murderous intent?


Most killers happen not to be elderly in fact the vast majority of killers and even violence criminals happen not to be elderly so yes it can and have happen however it is very rare indeed.

If is even far more rare for the elderly with no record of serous crimes and therefore able to legally buy a firearm at a gun shop to turn to violence with or without an evil so call military weapon.

Your example of an elderly person who used a gun of some firefighter had killed his grandmother in the past so one he is a rare individual and two could not buy a firearm at a gunshop.

Hell women can even be serial killers however it is so rare that when it happen it is front page news and as far as women being mass killers..............



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BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 26 Dec, 2012 04:01 am
@hawkeye10,
You know we are in a sad way lucky that for some reason so call assault rifles had been used in mass killings and attempted mass killing situations instead of more deadly weapons for such use, as for example a riot/military shotgun.

To say nothing of large magazines that are more likely to jam and in fact had cause weapons jams as in the movie theater shootings.
McTag
 
  2  
Wed 26 Dec, 2012 04:19 am
@BillRM,

When I was a fairly young teenager I was fascinated by magazines showing crossbows, knives of all sizes, and guns. I wanted to possess these things.

But then I grew up.
 

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