Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

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Frank Apisa wrote:
No one has called me on any lies...so how would you know that?

I call you on your lies on a regular basis. That's why you throw your little temper tantrums.

I do not see a reason to keep any weapons away from him as long as he is has not proven to be insane. I know this sounds crazy but we need to find a different approach of addressing violence than the tools that are used to commit the violence.

The reason I say this is because we will diffidently advanced way past anything that you can think of at the moment and this means that there will be tools at the disposal of others that may be greater than nuclear weapons. We will all advance in the knowledge of weaponry but what can we do to stop people who are emotional or insane?

Is it time for us to implement the social sciences and add funding for further research?

I'd also like to add in 2005, 575 children under the age of 5 were killed in the US. The number one perpetrator with 295 incidents was the children's parents. This coming from www.ojp.usdoj.gov
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/children.cfm

Sunday, December 23, 2012
A PLEDGE
History teaches us gun control is always the first step to absolutism.
Absolutism unavoidably leads in order to:

1. government perpetrated mass murders,


2. revolution,




3. and finally, the inevitable demise of the proponents of absolutism.



I was 26 years old and barely married for two months when what you see in the pictures above happened. I was in Romania, carrying an AKM-47 as a Navy reservist. I didn't really cared if I was to live or to die - living my entire as a slave under communism really made me indifferent to the perspective of dying. In fact, I was ready to put a bullet in my head if the revolution wouldn't have succeed.

My father once told me: son, the single biggest mistake me and your grandad did was to surrender our guns in 1949 when the communists made gun ownership illegal. You paid for our mistake and I am sorry for that.

Now I have a 22 year old son and I am making anyone who wants to come to my home take my guns away A PLEDGE:

YOU WILL NOT TAKE MY GUNS.
I WILL NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE MY FATHER AND GRANDFATHER DID.
I WILL NOT LET MY SON RISK HIS LIFE FIGHTING ANOTHER REVOLUTION TO OVERTHROW ANOTHER DICTATOR BECAUSE I WAS A COWARD AND GAVE UP INTO YOUR DEMANDS.

I owe that to my son and to all the people who died for liberty in December 1989.

So help me God.

The crocodile has been accepted as a symbol of dissimulation, from an old belief that this reptile sheds tears to attract the sympathy of passers by, in order that it may bring them within reach of its formidable jaws and devour them.

But you seem to forget that in a democracy a people should be free to choose to have their freedoms restricted if they judge that it is worth it. As it self-evidently is. Anarchy being the alternative.

I still am shaking my head concerning laws that are so insane that the poor UK national pistol team need to leave the country to target practice.

The problem is lunatics, not guns.

hawkeye says of firefly's stories of people murdered since the Newtown massacre:

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there are 315 million people in this country, you are hiding in the stories of a few very select individuals yet again.

No, she's not at all. And there aren't "a few very select individuals" either. There are many, many.

About 12,000 gun homicides in the US every year. That's about 240 a week. That means about 500 people have died by gun violence in the US since Newtown.

About 18ooo gun suicides every year. That's about 350 a week.

About 100,000 people wounded by gunshot every year. That's about 2000 a week..

That is NOT "a few very select individuals".

Do the math. That's around 130,000 people murdered by guns in the US since 9/11. That's forty times as many as died at the hands of the terrorists who brought down the Twin Towers. They were pikers by comparison. The REAL terrorists are the people with guns, who use them on other people, and there are a hell of a lot more of them in this country than Islamic terrorists. "To take away my guns, you'll have to pry them out of my cold, dead fingers". It's about time to take them at their word and start prying.

A lady I work with cannot renew her Florida driver's license (which she has had for 12 years) until she produces an official copy of her New Jersey marriage license to show why her name was changed from her birth certificate

Most people here wouldn't turn a hair if we didn't have a pistol team. I certainly wouldn't.

When I was a fairly young teenager I was fascinated by magazines showing crossbows, knives of all sizes, and guns. I wanted to possess these things.

But then I grew up.

But you seem to forget that in a democracy a people should be free to choose to have their freedoms restricted if they judge that it is worth it. As it self-evidently is. Anarchy being the alternative.

It follows, it seems to me also, that you don't trust the American people to choose leaders who will exercise restrictions on freedom in a manner they have elected them to do. Such a fear, which might be said by some to be paranoid, is essentially a criticism of the US educational system and of its political processes including the Constitution......

parados wrote:

the NRA has a position that does nothing to prevent mass shootings.

Sure they do: Enact proper defenses.