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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
oralloy
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 08:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Assuming the quote in that enormous graphic was accurate, he was saying how terrible he thinks it is that the Constitution protects our rights.


my sense is that he agrees with Obama that there should be almost no limit on government power, but this is not the source of his bitterness as government power has expanded almost unchecked during his lifetime.


Well, whatever his rationale, he objects to the Constitution protecting our rights. That makes him a Freedom Hater.
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raprap
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 08:45 pm
@oralloy,
Not so hard Oraboy.

Oraboy has said, at least twice, that the Aurora Movie shooter started with the H&R 15 with the 100 round magazine until it jammed and then went to the 870 Express Shotgun when it has been documented the exact opposite.

That's one Oraboy error--want more?

Rap the 'Retard"



firefly
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 08:50 pm
@BillRM,
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Those people are women and old people not mad killers or even gun nuts.

The man who just ambushed and shot and killed firemen in upstate NY was an elderly man--he was 62, old enough to collect social security--and he left a note saying he wanted to kill as many people as possible. Of course, a military-type assault rifle was part of his killing apparatus.

What makes you think old people can't become mad killers, particularly when they are empowered with military style assault weapons? You think there's an age limit to murderous intent?

And, as these same types of weapons fall into the hands of more and more women, we'll likely see more of them commit multiple killings. Or women will buy them for men who might use them--as was the case with Adam Lanza, who used his mother's assault rifle and gun collection to kill 27 people, including 20 children, and his mother.

People that rush to stock up on military-style weapons, and high capacity ammunition clips, at the mere suggestion of gun control, are indeed gun nuts. These are not "the tools of self defense"--these are the tools that facilitate mass killings. And, if you read the comments on some of the gun sites, they are clearly not being purchased for self-defense, these people are paranoid loons.

reasoning logic
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 08:54 pm
@raprap,
Quote:
Have you seen this?


I seen the trailer below

Ambrose Bierce Civil War Stories Trailer

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It's a Bierce tripet. I really liked 'Some kind of Officer.'


Would you like to share some of the things you found important about it because there was not much that could be learned from the trailer in my opinion.
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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 08:56 pm
@firefly,
as per usual you are using language to misrepresent the truth

http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/Murder_age.jpg

the old dont generally kill
firefly
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:02 pm
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ekDeWRN9dZc/TVKDJ62QXTI/AAAAAAAAAQU/xyHaAUY4yHE/s420/1stum+just+going+to+safeway.jpg
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firefly
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
the old dont generally kill

That doesn't mean they are incapable of killing--or incapable of attempting mass murder--particularly when armed with military-type assault weapons, as that 62 year old man in upstate NY just proved.

reasoning logic
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:

the old dont generally kill


That is a 20 year old chart, What does it look like today?
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oralloy
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:08 pm
@raprap,
raprap the retard wrote:
That's one Oraboy error--want more?


No error there. I've never stated the weapon models, so whether or not those model numbers are accurate or not has nothing to do with me. But the Batman shooter did switch from his rifle to his shotgun when his high-capacity magazine jammed.
oralloy
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:09 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Of course, a military-type assault rifle was part of his killing apparatus.


Nope. He had no military type weapon.



firefly wrote:
What makes you think old people can't become mad killers, particularly when they are empowered with military style assault weapons?


Having a pistol grip does not make a gun "military style". Nor does it make a gun any more powerful than a gun without a pistol grip.



firefly wrote:
These are not "the tools of self defense"


Yes they are.
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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:11 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
That doesn't mean they are incapable of killing--or incapable of attempting mass murder--particularly when armed with military-type assault weapons, as that 62 year old man in upstate NY just proved.
this thing you do of looking at one strange tree as you claim that it represents the forest becomes dishonesty when it happens over and over again. this is not you being an idiot, this is you lying to promote your agenda.

that you have any credibility here speaks poorly of A2K.
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oralloy
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:12 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
That doesn't mean they are incapable of killing--or incapable of attempting mass murder--particularly when armed with military-type assault weapons, as that 62 year old man in upstate NY just proved.


Having a pistol grip does not transform a gun into a military weapon.
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raprap
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:18 pm
@oralloy,
For the third time I post this timeline for the 'perfect and superior' master Oraboy..."bless his lotus flower feet".

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It is also alleged that the gunman threw a canister emitting a gas or smoke, partially obscuring the audience members' vision, making their throats and skin itch, and causing eye irritation.[10] He then fired a 12-gauge Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun, first at the ceiling and then at the audience. He also fired a Smith & Wesson M&P15[11] semi-automatic rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, which malfunctioned after reportedly firing fewer than 30 rounds.[11][12][13] Finally, he fired a Glock 22 handgun.[14][15]


Maybe 'his perfectness' will now get the story straight and avoid having to use his favorite "Liar" retort......

Rap the 'Retard'
firefly
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:22 pm
Another week of shootings and gun deaths in America...and Hawkeye should take note that one of the shooters is 71.
Quote:
U.S. Shooting Deaths Since Sandy Hook Top 100
12/21/2012

WASHINGTON -- The night after Sandy Hook, a gunman pulled behind a car in Kansas City's east side and opened fire, striking 4-year-old Aydan Perea in the head. The boy had just gotten into his father's car.

“He was innocent and he was just lifeless,” said the first bystander to reach Aydan. “All my life I’ve never seen nothing so devastating. I’m unable to eat, I’m unable to sleep because I see this baby in my head."

It was not the pre-schooler's first brush with gun violence. A year earlier, a gunman fired a shotgun at the house where Aydan had been staying. No one was injured, but bullets shattered a front window and riddled a parked car. This week, days after the drive-by shooting, doctors declared the boy brain dead.

Aydan's mother said her world has "stopped."

In the week following the Sandy Hook massacre, a body was found inside a vacant house, at a car wash, in a bodega. They were discovered on a bike trail, in a backyard, inside the front office of a motel, in an idling Chevy pickup. They were the 67th murder in their city and the 88th and the 124th.

All had one thing in common: the murder weapon. All died from gunshots. Shots to the head. Multiples to the chest. And so on.

This week, as mourners gathered in Newtown, Conn., to bury Sandy Hook Elementary's dead, and a nation renewed its debate over guns, the shootings did not stop. The Huffington Post spent the week tracking gun-related homicides and accidents throughout the U.S., logging more than 100 from Google and Nexis searches. This is by no means a definitive tally. In 2010, there were more than twice that many homicides alone in an average week.

There were murder-suicides. One was shot in the face while sleeping, a baby sound asleep in a crib nearby. One was a grandmother on her way home from a store.

On Saturday afternoon, a 3-year-old in Guthrie, Okla., died after accidentally shooting himself in the head with a gun he found inside his aunt and uncle's house. His uncle is an Oklahoma state trooper.

"Nobody should have to go through something like that," a resident said during a candlelight vigil for the boy. An aunt at the vigil said, "We are all so close to him. My brother here visited him three times a week and my mom babysat him twice a week."

Paul Sampleton Jr., 14, was bound and shot in his Gwinnett County, Ga., townhome on Wednesday afternoon. His father found him in the kitchen. Police suspect a robbery motive.

"He was smiling, listening to music," a friend recalled to a local reporter. "He got on his bus, I got on mine. We were all happy."

A 20-year-old man shot and killed Veronica Soto, a young mother of two, in an apparent road rage incident on Thursday. Soto and her husband had gone out to a nearby Jack in the Box in the Houston area when they became involved in a confrontation with drivers in two other cars. The accused killer Mark Trevino, and the victim's husband pulled guns.

"Investigators said Mark Trevino came to a stop, ran into his home on Addicks-Clodine, grabbed a rifle and started shooting. Soto was shot in the head. Her husband also pulled out his gun. 'They started shooting back and forth and the bullet went through the windshield, hit her and went out the back windshield,' said Matthew Soto, the victim’s brother-in-law," reported a Houston television station.

The station continued: "Soto’s distraught husband drove to his sister-in-law’s house on Las Brisas near Plaza Libre for help, but it was too late. The mother collapsed and died at the scene."

Soto had two daughters, ages 7 and 14. She just turned 30.

In Georgetown, Ohio, a 71-year-old man was arrested on Sunday after shooting his adult son John Louderback in the chest. The sheriff's office said the man called 911 and confessed.

Ramona Foreman was found shot in the doorway of the Oakland, Calif., 92nd Avenue Head Start office. The 48-year-old and her sister were walking home from a store when shots rang out. Foreman had been the innocent victim of a drive-by shooting. The victim's stepdaughter told a reporter that her grandmother was the 13th person she knows killed this year.

Deputy Sheriff Christopher Parsons, 31, worked the early-morning shift on Saturday, when he took an emergency call to assist an unconscious woman at a trailer park in Mineral Point, Mo. As he helped place the woman in the ambulance, her son came out of the mobile home and fired a rifle, killing Parsons.

The deputy had been on the police force for two months. "He had so completely figured things out and had worked so hard," his mother told a reporter.

On Sunday in New Orleans, three people were shot and killed, including 18-year-old Lawrence Burt, 56-year-old Vivian Snyder, and a 56-year-old Jefferson Parish taxi driver Joseph Wilfred, who was shot behind the wheel. According to an account, he'd been on the job for about three weeks.

That same afternoon, 25-year-old Krystal Garcia Nacoa was allegedly shot to death by her husband, Leonardo Nacoa, 26, at their Porterville, Calif., home. Police found the husband's cell phone number and called it multiple times, until the man finally picked up. He admitted that he had fled across the border to Mexico. Police were able to get Nacoa to surrender.

His three young children were inside the home at the time of the shooting and weren't physically hurt.

Mark Hanrahan, Melissa Jeltsen, Alana Horowitz, Benjamin Hart, and Adam Goldberg contributed reporting.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/us-shooting-deaths-sandy-hook_n_2348466.html


The number of gun deaths since the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings is now up to 160
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html
oralloy
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:25 pm
@raprap,
raprap the retard wrote:
Quote:
It is also alleged that the gunman threw a canister emitting a gas or smoke, partially obscuring the audience members' vision, making their throats and skin itch, and causing eye irritation.[10] He then fired a 12-gauge Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun, first at the ceiling and then at the audience. He also fired a Smith & Wesson M&P15[11] semi-automatic rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, which malfunctioned after reportedly firing fewer than 30 rounds.[11][12][13] Finally, he fired a Glock 22 handgun.[14][15]


Maybe 'his perfectness' will now get the story straight and avoid having to use his favorite "Liar" retort......


So you're saying that he switched to a handgun instead of a shotgun?

Big deal. He still had to abandon his rifle because the high capacity magazine jammed.

And as for being called a liar, try telling the truth, then you won't have to be called a liar.
raprap
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:28 pm
@oralloy,
Oh Perfect master Oraboy--bless your lotus flower feet--where did I lie when I tempted to say that you got the facts wrong.

Rap the 'Retard'
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:29 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Another week of shootings and gun deaths in America...and Hawkeye should take note that one of the shooters is 71.

there are 315 million people in this country, you are hiding in the stories of a few very select individuals yet again.

does this dishonesty usually work for you in real life, or is it that we at A2K are easy to **** with??
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oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:34 pm
@raprap,
raprap the retard wrote:
Oh Perfect master Oraboy--bless your lotus flower feet--where did I lie when I tempted to say that you got the facts wrong.

Rap the 'Retard'


I tend to quote what I reply to. You can see your lies quoted just above where I denounce them.
raprap
 
  0  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:36 pm
@oralloy,
Ok Then

Oraboy wrote:

I tend to quote what I reply to. You can see your lies quoted just above where I denounce them.


Liar

Gotcha

Rap
firefly
 
  1  
Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:38 pm
Quote:
Connecticut shooting puts spotlight on daily deaths of young children by gunfire in the U.S.
By Associated Press
December 25, 2012

Before 20 first-graders were massacred at school by a gunman in Newtown, Conn., first-grader Luke Schuster, 6, was shot to death in New Town, N.D.

Six-year-olds John Devine Jr. and Jayden Thompson were similarly killed in Kentucky and Texas.

Veronica Moser-Sullivan, 6, died in a mass shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., while 6-year-old Kammia Perry was slain by her father outside her Cleveland home, according to an Associated Press review of 2012 media reports.

Yet there was no gunman on the loose when Julio Segura-McIntosh died in Tacoma, Wash. The 3-year-old accidentally shot himself in the head while playing with a gun he found inside a car.

As he mourned with the families of Newtown, President Barack Obama said the nation cannot accept such violent deaths of children as routine. But hundreds of young child deaths by gunfire — whether intentional or accidental — suggest it might already have.

Between 2006 and 2010, 561 children age 12 and under were killed by firearms, according to the FBI’s most recent Uniform Crime Reports. The numbers each year are consistent: 120 in 2006; 115 in 2007; 116 in 2008, 114 in 2009 and 96 in 2010. The FBI’s count does not include gun-related child deaths that authorities have ruled accidental.

“This happens on way too regular a basis and it affects families and communities — not at once, so we don’t see it and we don’t understand it as part of our national experience,” said Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research.

NRA: an armed guard in every school

The true number of small children who died by gunfire in 2012 won’t be known for a couple of years, when official reports are collected and dumped into a database and analyzed. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention expects to release its 2011 count in the spring.

In response to what happened in Newtown, the National Rifle Association, the nation’s largest gun lobby, suggested shielding children from gun violence by putting an armed police officer in every school by the time classes resume in January.

“Politicians pass laws for gun-free school zones ... They post signs advertising them and in doing so they tell every insane killer in America that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk,” said NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre.

Webster said children are more likely to die by gunfire at home or in the street. They tend to be safer when they are in school, he said.

None of the 61 deaths reviewed by The Associated Press happened at school.

Children die by many other methods as well: violent stabbings or throat slashings, drowning, beating and strangulation. But the gruesome recounts of gun deaths, sometimes just a few paragraphs in a newspaper or on a website, a few minutes on television or radio, bear witness that firearms too, are cutting short many youngsters’ lives.

One week before the Newtown slayings, Alyssa Celaya, 8, bled to death after being shot by her father with a .38-caliber gun at the Tule River Indian Reservation in California. Her grandmother and two brothers also were killed, a younger sister and brother were shot and wounded. The father shot and killed himself amid a hail of gunfire from officers.

Delric Miller’s life ended at 9 months and Angel Mauro Cortez Nava’s at 14 months.

Delric was in the living room of a home on Detroit’s west side Feb. 20 when someone sprayed it with gunfire from an AK-47. Other children in the home at the time were not injured.

Angel was cradled in his father’s arms on a sidewalk near their home in Los Angeles when a bicyclist rode by on June 4 and opened fire, killing the infant.

Gun control and politics

Most media reports don’t include information on the type of gun used, sometimes because police withhold it for investigation purposes.

Gun violence and the toll it is taking on children has been an issue raised for years in minority communities.

The NAACP failed in its attempt to hold gun makers accountable through a lawsuit filed in 1999. Some in the community raised the issue during the campaign and asked Obama after he was re-elected to make reducing gun violence, particularly as a cause of death for young children, part of his second-term agenda.

“Now that it’s clear that no community in this country is invulnerable from gun violence, from its children being stolen ... we can finally have the national conversation we all need to have,” said Ben Jealous, president of the NAACP.

This year’s gun deaths reviewed by the AP show the problem is not confined to the inner city or is simply the result of gang or drug violence, as often is the perception.

Faith Ehlen, 22 months, Autumn Cochran, 10, and Alyssa Cochran, 11, all died Sept. 6. Their mother killed them with the shotgun before turning it on herself. Police said she had written a goodbye email to her boyfriend before killing the children in DeSoto, Mo., a community of about 6,300.

In Dundee, Ore., Randall Engels used a gun to kill his estranged wife Amy Engels and son Jackson, 11, as they ate pizza on the Fourth of July. An older sibling of Jackson’s also was killed. Engels then committed suicide. The town of more than 5,000 people boasts on its website that it is a semirural town with “the cultural panache of a big city.”

Many of the children who died in 2012 were shot with guns that belonged to their parents, relatives or baby sitters, or were simply in the home. Webster said children’s accidental deaths by guns have fallen since states passed laws requiring that guns be locked away from youths or have safeties to keep them from firing.

But even people trained in gun use slip up — and the mistakes are costly.

A Springville, Utah, police officer had a non-service gun in his home that officials said did not have external safeties. His 2-year-old son found the gun and shot himself on Sept. 11. The names of the father and son were not released at the time of the shooting.

Obama has tapped Vice President Joe Biden to shape the administration’s response to the Newtown massacre. The administration will push to tighten gun laws, many that have faced resistance in Congress for years. The solutions may include reinstating a ban on assault-style rifles, closing gun buying background check loopholes and restricting high-capacity magazines.

Those may have limited effect for children like Amari Markel-Purrel Perkins, of Clinton, Md. He shot himself in the chest on April 9 with a gun that an adult had stashed inside a Spiderman backpack.

Like most of the child victims at Newtown, Amari was 6.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2012/12/gunfire_kills_young_children_d.html
 

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