HOLOCAUST........ Fact or Fiction?

parados wrote:

See rapraps post about the crematoria that were dismantled.

Nonsense argument. He doesn't have any idea what he is talking about.

Krumple is a far right extremest like the sources he uses to learn things, and ignores all the other credible sources that abounds on the internet.

izzythepush wrote:

As opposed to a smart person like you who believes there's such a thing as an escape goat.

What are you talking about? I used an example of escape goat and you think I believe the concept is real or valid? You honestly think I believe in escape goats? Really? If you think that then you haven't actually read anything I have said or you have horrible reading comprehension skills.

I used the escape goat idea as what ancient people use to believe. A superstitious concept that people use to believe is possible. I was drawing a parallel with people who think jesus dying and the sacrificial escape goat as being something they admired and believed were possible. No where did I said I believe escape goats are useful or real.

Wow the level of posters never seems to amaze me at just how bad they are at comprehension skills.

Of course there is restriction on how many can be gassed. I am directly addressing the gassing. Not shot by bullets, not killed by beatings, not killed by disease, not killed by some other means other than gassing. I am directly addressing the numbers that were claimed to have been gassed.

The gas chamber design is in question.

You have to do something with those bodies. If you were to take them outside they would have to be carried through several rooms and carried up stairs out and towards the pits. This would mean incoming prisoners would witness these bodies being moved.

You completely ignore how the numbers have been worked. They are exaggerated and still can not zero out. It means the credibility of the claims do not hold water.

Krumple, what are your qualifications to interpret historical data?

... So where are these so called generalizations that I made about the jews?

The jews had massive incentive to lie and perpetuate lies for their agenda.

The more I researched the less credible these so called survivors became.

OK.. what number were gassed? Why did you use the 6 million figure?
There is no estimate of 6 million being gassed yet that is the number you used when you are attempting to disprove the Holocaust.

Who claimed that many were gassed in that specific building?
You are arguing a car can't go 200mph while only looking at Yugo. What was the design of the other buildings? What was their capacity? Are you confusing which building the 2500 figure is for? Just like you confuse the 6 million figure?

And you have studied the camps? You know the layout of where the doors are on the room vs the train tracks? Your argument that they would witness bodies is not supported by any facts or the map of the complex. Please provide your map of the complex that shows the crematoria were clearly visible from the train tracks. Then provide your evidence that bodies being carried out would be evidence to those viewing of people being gassed.

I see you have failed to provide real numbers. But you argue the number of others aren't credible? Then provide REAL numbers to show they aren't credible. Your imaginary numbers don't count since we can clearly see errors in them already.

By referring to "the Jews" one is generalizing about Jews as one monolithic, thinking people. Sort of like clannish to the Nth degree. Sorry, there are Jews that are Communists, capitalists, apolitical, Zionist, anti-Zionist. So, when one says that "the Jews had massive incentive to lie and perpetuate lies for their agenda," one is generalizing about Jews, and generalizing in the falsehood that there is one Jewish "agenda." History knows who had an agenda, and it wasn't the Jews.

Where did you conduct your research?

There are a lot of sources.

Where did you conduct your research?

Foofie wrote:

By referring to "the Jews" one is generalizing about Jews as one monolithic, thinking people. Sort of like clannish to the Nth degree. Sorry, there are Jews that are Communists, capitalists, apolitical, Zionist, anti-Zionist. So, when one says that "the Jews had massive incentive to lie and perpetuate lies for their agenda," one is generalizing about Jews, and generalizing in the falsehood that there is one Jewish "agenda." History knows who had an agenda, and it wasn't the Jews.

There was absolutely no other way to address them. You seriously can not be this dense.

By referring to "the Jews" one is generalizing about Jews as one monolithic, thinking people. Sort of like clannish to the Nth degree. Sorry, there are Jews that are Communists, capitalists, apolitical, Zionist, anti-Zionist. So, when one says that "the Jews had massive incentive to lie and perpetuate lies for their agenda," one is generalizing about Jews, and generalizing in the falsehood that there is one Jewish "agenda." History knows who had an agenda, and it wasn't the Jews.

There was absolutely no other way to address them. You seriously can not be this dense.

If that is your thought, that one is dense if one does not understand the term, "the Jews," and their "agenda," then you need to learn what constitutes anti-Semitism. You might not hate Jews; however, thinking of them as one monolithic group is anti-Semitic. Sort of like being anti-Catholic if one thinks the Pope can get all Catholics to obey his Papel Bulls.

But, it would be nice if you offer the posters a reason for why you are so interested in "the numbers," let alone the topic itself. It does not concern most people, unless there is some important issue/concern that relates to the Holocaust and its authenticity, since questioning "the numbers" has been a concern of some people that would like to question the need/legitimacy of the State of Israel as a Zionist State. Can you understand why your interest in this subject raises questions that you have yet to explain?

LOL you did your research on youtube? Wow! I am just going to ignore you.

Foofie wrote:

By referring to "the Jews" one is generalizing about Jews as one monolithic, thinking people. Sort of like clannish to the Nth degree. Sorry, there are Jews that are Communists, capitalists, apolitical, Zionist, anti-Zionist. So, when one says that "the Jews had massive incentive to lie and perpetuate lies for their agenda," one is generalizing about Jews, and generalizing in the falsehood that there is one Jewish "agenda." History knows who had an agenda, and it wasn't the Jews.

Krumple wrote:

There was absolutely no other way to address them. You seriously can not be this dense.

Foofie wrote:

If that is your thought, that one is dense if one does not understand the term, "the Jews," and their "agenda," then you need to learn what constitutes anti-Semitism. You might not hate Jews; however, thinking of them as one monolithic group is anti-Semitic. Sort of like being anti-Catholic if one thinks the Pope can get all Catholics to obey his Papel Bulls.

I am only addressing the survivors. I thought this was clearly stated already. I guess comprehension skills are really lacking with a lot of members.

Foofie wrote:

But, it would be nice if you offer the posters a reason for why you are so interested in "the numbers," let alone the topic itself. It does not concern most people, unless there is some important issue/concern that relates to the Holocaust and its authenticity, since questioning "the numbers" has been a concern of some people that would like to question the need/legitimacy of the State of Israel as a Zionist State. Can you understand why your interest in this subject raises questions that you have yet to explain?

Sure there is a bit of overlap.

It is because of how it is used. Just the very fact of questioning the numbers alone people immediately discredit a person. This shouldn't happen if the truth speaks for itself. There would be absolutely no reason to be so offended by a person working out the numbers. This was my over all point. To reveal that people don't care about finding truth. They only care about what the tribe agrees is true regardless if it is true or not.

This becomes a weapon that is used against other groups when it is allowed to fester like this. I see the absurdity and how hypocritical they are so the only way to display it is to show the numbers do not hold to reality.

Question everything. Why should you just blindly accept everything. When a person attacks a person trying to verify history they shouldn't be branded as antisemitic. To do that only shows that they have something to hide. They shouldn't feel threatened unless they have something to hide.

I haven't said anything derogatory towards the jews that did die and the survivors yet I get labeled a bigot for running the numbers. Or questioning the numbers. It is absurd and this is what I want to point out. This was the over all goal. To show how tribal people are over the truth. They don't care about the truth or the reality. This is why they fall for such nonsense over and over again.