Can we just !/$$!?$?! leave now?

Come on, Rocky, you do possess a brain, do you not? You start something and then it's just idiotic tangent after idiotic tangent.

Who has suffered the most, the people of Afghanistan or the people of the US?

Who has suffered the most, the people of Iraq or the people of the US?

Who has suffered the most, the people of Nicaragua or the people of the US?

Who has suffered the most, the people of Laos or the people of the US?

Who has suffered the most, the people of Vietnam or the people of the US?

Who has suffered the most, the people of Cambodia or the people of the US?

I already voted for your team, jtt. didn't they show you the totals?

I am going to go work in my garden.

that might be good for your stress levels as well.

toodles...

I knew it, Rocky, I just knew it.

you're just like that nostradamus dude, dude.

you should go to vegas...

So then, Rocky, why don't you honestly address these;

Who has suffered the most, the people of Afghanistan or the people of the US?

Who has suffered the most, the people of Iraq or the people of the US?

Who has suffered the most, the people of Nicaragua or the people of the US?

Who has suffered the most, the people of Laos or the people of the US?

Who has suffered the most, the people of Vietnam or the people of the US?

Who has suffered the most, the people of Cambodia or the people of the US?

jtt, I am going to guess you didn't do a lot of organized sports while you were growing up.

so Ima impart to you a fundamental lesson you might have missed...

never ever pick a fight with a member of your own team.

you might not like how it works out when you do.

enjoy your evening, and please while we are discusssing etiquette, lets don't do ugly **** on the beautiful animals thread anymore.

it's very poor form...

hasta.

Who's pickin' a fight, Rocky? I'm just giving you the opportunity to expound on the actual issue. That is, if you can take time out from your garden.

not tonight, thanks.

don't see many 80 degree days in Kansas in March.

I know it's like this every day where you live, so let me have my fun, eh?

Okay, let's do this tomorrow then, Rocky.

I'll have my people call your people...

we'll do lunch.

Better yet, I'll bookmark it and remind you tomorrow, Rocky.

BOOKMARK

http://able2know.org/topic/186107-7#post-4929494

you know what they say...

don't hold your breath, you might turn blue.

I'm done here, my apologies to JPB...

You're neglecting your garden, Rocky.



I was just about to remind you how you are one of the bigger whiners on A2K about being off topic and yet you do it frequently.

In case you want to get back on topic, I replied to you here
http://able2know.org/topic/186107-6#post-4929471

I was the one trying to steer Rocky back to the topic, but all he wanted to do was end runs and tangents, interspersed with gardening, JPB.



No, the definitions didn't change. The US government simply did an end run around agreed upon laws - laws I must remind you that were largely invented by the US.



No, you most certainly did not. There are procedures that lawful countries follow. Those procedures were most certainly not followed.

Have you had Cubans coming into the US to route out all the terrorists that the US supports?

Have you had Nicaraguans coming into the US to route out all the terrorists that the US supports?

Have you had [fill in the blank with any of the numerous countries that have had direct US terrorism perpetrated upon them] coming into the US to route out all the terrorists that the US supports.

Why aren't these people allowed the same "reasons", JPB?

The Taliban did not attack the US. The Taliban were the US's good friends until not all that long before 9-11. The worst of the worst Taliban were always roundly supported by the US when they were aiding the US.

The Taliban made a number of offers to deal OBL.



That is disingenuous, JPB. Knowing how honest you are, that could only be the relentless propaganda. The US is very very good at this - this clouding of the issues. If the US had the interests of the people of Afghanistan at heart, they would not have rushed into a bombing campaign - funny how the US always carpet bombs the people they are "trying to save" - they would have dealt with this as a normal rule of law world citizen.

Let's discuss the impact of the US leaving Afghanistan. Grant me, if you will, that the people of the US had multiple missions going in. We can debate forever whether we should be there. You'll be hard pressed to convince many Americans that our entry there was anything other than a response to a declaration of war against the US with the full backing of the Taliban - the ruling gov't of Afghanistan at the time. Yes, it was a new definition of war here. Like it, or not, that is the reality.

To me the issue is why are we still there and what should we do to leave with the best interest of the Afghan people in mind?

My memory tells me the Taliban did not take part in 911. But they would not surrender Bin Laden, or something to that effect. So, Bush set out to dispossess them. Then left the troops there while he embarked on the Iraq invasion. I can't understand why the mission was not a quick in and out thing instead of a never ending war. The longer we stay, the deeper the resentment on the part of the people over there, one and all, in my opinion.

And this is more bullshit. I'm no more deluded than you are about what you perceive as propaganda and truth.

Discuss?


Vietnam.


Only worse, because a lot of Vietnamese supported Ho Chi Minh, and they have done a pretty neat job since 1975. They were actually pretty progressive.

Taliban? they have a lot of support, but they are entirely regressive as far as I can tell.

Aaaaaarrrrggghhhhh. I guess we can only hope that indigenous forces eventually lead to their downfall and a happy outcome for Afghanistan in the long term.

meanwhile, I guess there are going to be many refugees and a lot of suffering.

An Afghan parliamentary investigation team has implicated up to 20 US troops in the massacre of 16 civilians in Kandahar early on Sunday morning. It contradicts NATO's account that insists one rogue soldier was behind the slaughter.

­The team of Afghan lawmakers has spent two days collating reports from witnesses, survivors and inhabitants of the villages where the tragedy took place.

“We are convinced that one soldier cannot kill so many people in two villages within one hour at the same time, and the 16 civilians, most of them children and women, have been killed by the two groups,” investigator Hamizai Lali told Afghan News.

Lali also said their investigations led them to believe 15 to 20 US soldiers had been involved in the killings. He appealed to the international community to ensure that the responsible parties were brought to justice, stressing the Afghan parliament would not rest until the killers were prosecuted.


"If the international community does not play its role in punishing the perpetrators, the Wolesi Jirga [parliament] would declare foreign troops as occupying forces,” he said.


The head of the Afghan parliamentary investigation, Sayed Ishaq Gillani, told the BBC that witnesses report seeing helicopters dropping chaff during the attack, a measure used to hide targets from ground attack.

Gillani added that locals suspect the massacre was revenge for attacks carried out last week on US forces that left several injured.


In response to the massacre Afghan PM Hamid Karzai called for US troops to quit Afghan villages and confine themselves to their military bases across the country. Furthermore, the Taliban announced that talks with US forces would be suspended.


Meanwhile the US military has detained one soldier in connection with the massacre and transferred him to Kuwait amid outcry for a public trial in Afghanistan.

US authorities are currently conducting an investigation into the motives behind the attack, but maintain that the soldier’s trial must be dealt with by the US legal system.

It is believed that the soldier may have had alcohol problems and been suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder
http://rt.com/news/massacre-kandahar-soldier-american-705/