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Why I am not Voting Obama

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 09:00 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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If you are going to do the "Oralloy" or "Twinkle Toes" thing, you're gonna have to find someone else to play with.


The Oralloy parallel is apt, Frank. You have continually taken the same tact as the boy does. When faced with the facts, you do prance off on inane tangents, like your evaluation of "if" and verb tense.

Once again. Every president since FDR has committed war crimes. These are/were actions for which the US has charged, convicted and hung others.

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Furthermore, you have to ask yourself what was called a "war crime"? How did they decide what was a war crime at Nuremberg and Tokyo? And the answer is pretty simple. and not very pleasant. There was a criterion. Kind of like an operational criterion. If the enemy had done it and couldn't show that we had done it, then it was a war crime.

So like bombing of urban concentrations was not considered a war crime because we had done more of it than the Germans and the Japanese. So that wasn't a war crime. You want to turn Tokyo into rubble? So much rubble you can't even drop an atom bomb there because nobody will see anything if you do, which is the real reason they didn't bomb Tokyo. That's not a war crime because we did it. Bombing Dresden is not a war crime. We did it.

German Admiral Gernetz -- when he was brought to trial (he was a submarine commander or something) for sinking merchant vessels or whatever he did -- he called as a defense witness American Admiral Nimitz who testified that the U.S. had done pretty much the same thing, so he was off, he didn't get tried. And in fact if you run through the whole record, it turns out a war crime is any war crime that you can condemn them for but they can't condemn us for. Well, you know, that raises some questions.


There have been lots of questions, but you have a decided penchant for avoiding them, Frank.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 10:04 pm
@JTT,
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The Oralloy parallel is apt, Frank. You have continually taken the same tact as the boy does.


You meant to say 'taken the same tack.' What you wrote makes no sense. For someone who seems to pride themselves on their linguistic abilities, this is an embarrassing mistake.

Look, Canadian, nobody gives a **** what your opinion of America is, so why don't you quit ruining everyone's threads with your bullshit?

Cycloptichorn
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 10:11 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Hello, Cy. Do you still deny that the US is a terrorist nation? If so, have you come up with something better in the way of an argument. The one you floated way back when was terribly lame, but you already know that.

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For someone who seems to pride themselves on their linguistic abilities, this is an embarrassing mistake.


OmSig would take great exception to your illogic here, above, Cy. I suspect that your junior high school grammar teacher would do the same.


Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 10:16 pm
@JTT,
You should have had the grace to admit your mistake.

As for the rest, just go ahead and **** off

Cycloptichorn
JTT
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2012 10:20 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
So you haven't come up with any new lame arguments wrt US state terrorism, Cy. I'm not surprised.

Shall we review your last one? I'm sure that it would make for interesting reading.

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You should have had the grace to admit your mistake.


I didn't want you to further embarrass yourself.
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JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 07:44 am
@Cycloptichorn,
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Look, Canadian, nobody gives a **** what your opinion of America is,


"opinion", you don't want to face facts, Cy. You're scared shitless of the facts, the voluminous set of facts that shows, without any doubt, what a brutal terrorist nation the US has been for well over a century.

No one disputes these facts, all y'all do is studiously avoid them and attack the messengers with these inane tangents.

Go back to your little hidey hole, Cy. Continue with your pretense that you are a guy who searches for the truth. Innocents die while you dither.
snood
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 09:04 pm
@JTT,
JTT,
Since this is a discussion forum...
Does it give you even a second's pause to realize that NOBODY wants to have discussions with you?
cicerone imposter
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 09:11 pm
@snood,
Just put JTT on Ignore; you won't miss anything. Promise.

Everybody knows what he's going to say before he even posts anything. Boring.
Cycloptichorn
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 10:17 pm
Back on topic.

I read a pretty disturbing article about Americans Elect - what a joke of a name - that outlined the fact that they recently changed their by-laws to continue to protect the identities of the people who funded it. They have no intention of EVER revealing who the money people funding their group are. They are receiving practically no small-dollar donations.

There is nothing democratic about this group at all. It's not Americans Elect - it's a small group of rich people directly picking a candidate and then hoping to pull off a few percentage points of the vote in each state. Even if a candidate WERE to actually pull it off, both parties would unite to destroy them. It's the most ridiculous endeavor I've seen in electoral politics in a long time - makes the Tea Party look like legitimate actors.

Cycloptichorn
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2012 10:35 pm
@JTT,
As I have said many times, I tend to agree with Jtt on a bunch of matters. Grammar is not one of those. The behavior of the U.S. is where we tend to agree.

We differ in that I do not hate my country.

snood
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 07:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I just took him off of ignore to read a few posts and see if he was still beating the same poor old horse. He went promptly back on as soon as I saw he is still playing the same. insane. endless. one note - "the U.S. gubmint is criminal!!!"
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 08:23 pm
@snood,
After he's provided the same message a thousand different ways, it seems he's the one who doesn't "get it." He must drive his family and friends batty!
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 08:08 pm
@snood,
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JTT,
Since this is a discussion forum...
Does it give you even a second's pause to realize that NOBODY wants to have discussions with you?


Not in the least, Snood, not in the least. You're all talking. You all know, to some extent at least, the evil perpetrated by your governments.

I can't make you act like the adults that y'all are supposed to be.

Doesn't it give you just a second's pause to realize that a thirteen year old young lady has shown more gumption, more honesty, more backbone, more bravery than the sum total of all you "adults"?
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 08:19 pm
@ossobuco,
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Grammar is not one of those.


That matters little, Osso. You really know very little about English grammar. But that's a given. You were educated in the US school system.

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The behavior of the U.S. is where we tend to agree.


But you stay silent, why?

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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 08:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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he's provided the same message a thousand different ways,


http://able2know.org/topic/178691-25#post-4922299

Post: # 4,921,589
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 08:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You mistake 'boring', CI, for highly discomforting to your psyche. Unlike a lot of these folks, you seem to have some small measure of conscience.

It's certainly not easy to come to the realization that much of your life has been a gigantic fraud.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 08:46 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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It's not Americans Elect - it's a small group of rich people directly picking a candidate and then hoping to pull off a few percentage points of the vote in each state.


And here, all this time, you thought you were actually involved in the electoral process, eh, Cy?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 24 May, 2012 07:17 pm

http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-trade-wyden-senator-117/


A leading Senate Democrat has called out US President Barack Obama over his alleged unwillingness to keep Congress updated on negotiations over a treaty that might be potentially disastrous for America.

Senator Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) introduced legislation on Wednesday that specifically targets the Obama administration by demanding that the White House open up on details about the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership, a massive, international trade agreement that, if passed, would greatly affect consumers from coast-to-coast. The lawmaker isn’t alone in his opposition against the administration, either — more than 60 House Democrats and at least one Republican have objected to provisions of the TPP, and more are expected to line up as details are made public.

According to the senator, President Obama and his cabinet have gone out of their way to keep Congress uninformed on the details surrounding the TPP, including even members of his own political party, such as Sen. Wyden. What’s more, argues the senator, is that if anyone should be kept update on the issue, it’s him — as chair of the United States Senate Finance Subcommittee on International Trade, Customs, and Global Competitiveness, it is his job to be up to snuff on proposals such as this.

On the contrary, Sen. Wyden and his office have been largely kept out of the picture. The massive corporations with personal stock in the TPP, however, have been all too informed though, he says.

“The majority of Congress is being kept in the dark as to the substance of the TPP negotiations, while representatives of U.S. corporations – like Halliburton, Chevron, PHRMA, Comcast, and the Motion Picture Association of America – are being consulted and made privy to details of the agreement,” claims the senator.

That isn’t to say that Big Businesses and their Washington lobbyists are invested without reason, though. If passed in its current form, the TPP includes some seriously scary provisions that would, among other things, ban “Buy American” preference for US manufacturers and change intellectual property standards that are almost certain to cause for an increase in prescription drug costs and thus have a major impact on the American health insurance industry and all groups linked to it.

The senator claims that his office has continuously sought out more information about the proposed legislation, only to be time and time again told that his staffers lack the necessary clearance to be kept privy on the policies. Sen. Wyden says in a statement this week that he then attempted to get his office cleared to be informed of the legislation, only to be continuously left out of the picture.

“As the Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee’s Subcommittee on International Trade, Customs, and Global Competitiveness, my office is responsible for conducting oversight over the USTR [United States Trade Representative] and trade negotiations,” says the senator.

“More than two months after receiving the proper security credentials, my staff is still barred from viewing the details of the proposals that USTR is advancing,” he adds.

In a statement offered to the Huffington Post, Wyden spokesperson Jennifer Hoelzer claims that the Obama administration in interpreting a decade-old law to say that only members of the Congressional Oversight Group or staffers involved with the COG office are allowed to see the agreements.

“If that is in fact their interpretation, it means that neither Senator Wyden nor his trade subcommittee staff are allowed to review documents pertaining to trade agreements,” says Hoelzer.

Now in order to deal with this grievance, Sen. Wyden has proposed legislation this week that would require the USTR “to provide documents related to trade negotiations to members of Congress and their staff upon request.” Bloomberg News reports that the USTR office has yet to offer an official response.

This is but the second time this week that Sen. Wyden has made headlines for outspoken views delivered before Congress. On Monday, he attacked the supporters of the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, or CISPA, by calling it “an overreaction to a legitimate fear” that would only create “a Cyber Industrial Complex.”
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 01:18 pm
@edgarblythe,
From the Obama camp.

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Even as the rest of the country was enjoying a brightening economy, during Romney's term Massachusetts plummeted to 47th out of 50 states in job creation; manufacturing jobs declined at twice the national average; and for the first time since 1995, its unemployment rate was above the national average.

Long-term debt ballooned by more than $2.6 billion -- leaving the people of Massachusetts with the highest per capita debt of any state in the nation. State spending increased every single year, and Romney raised taxes and fees by $750 million per year -- leading to a higher state and local tax burden of $1,200 for every Bay Stater. Over his term, fees at public colleges skyrocketed by 63 percent, and during his first year, K-12 schools saw the second-largest percentage cuts, per student, in the nation.

All that in just four years.


Why are Americans slated to vote for Willard?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 03:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
They are being brain washed. I was trying to get a station to listen to the news this afternoon and went to 4 different stations and each had a conservative on it lying his ass off before I gave up and turned it off. But the conservatives on this foram refer to the media as liberal.
 

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