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Why I am not Voting Obama

 
 
panzade
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 04:29 pm
George Clooney says it best for me:

http://forwantofanail.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/384813_2864055324189_1343911384_3123831_1381864166_n.jpg
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 04:33 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
huh? don't know who you're quoting, but that wasn't me
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 04:34 pm
@ehBeth,
the doggies were in your account earlier.

they even posted as such...
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 04:37 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

You guys aren't paying much attention to what's actually happened, then. I can't say it any plainer than that.


I think you can't see the slide as you are further to the right than you realize. You grew up in the middle of America's slide to the right.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 04:40 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

4 more years of Obama would be devastating to this country and her allies.


this is one specific point of yours that I'd like to comment on. If it weren't for Mr. Obama, the U.S. would have fewer allies left than it does.

I think he should get credit for this slight improvement for the U.S. Things were getting pretty unpleasant on the international front for the U.S., and I do think Mr. Obama has turned that around a bit. Still a way to go though.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 04:46 pm
@ehBeth,
I don't know that I can agree with that, ehBeth. The USA was waaaay right wing back in the 1950s. Then came the baby generation -- beatniks, hippies, etc. -- and the seesaw tilted and everyone became "liberal" for lack of a better word. The Nixon administration was actually a gosend for the liberals. Suddenly, the GOP was no longer trustworthy and Carter sailed into the Oval Office. Since then it's been something of a seesaw again -- left to right and back. Right now, you're right, we seem to be in a right-wing swing, but it's by no means a steady trend.
panzade
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 04:48 pm
From the US Treasury; figures don't lie.


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/394799_2469764507935_1367012868_32028309_1437506287_n.jpg

Don't let people tell you Obama is responsible for raising the debt.

While I'm busy C&Pasting. Bernie is my hero.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/380214_2206351038432_1237087670_31933234_2098808709_n.jpg
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 04:51 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:

ehBeth wrote:

Well, i think it is unfortunate that EB might not participate, but i don't at all blame him, and can't fault the thought process which lead him to this decision. It's unfortunate, but i don't see him as being at fault.


Oh, I don't blame EB and I sympathize with his feelings. I just don't think his choice of a solution to the moral dilemma is well thought out.


Where'n'hell did I pull that quote from if it wasn't by you? Now I can't find it anywhere on the damn' thread!
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 04:53 pm
@Setanta,
Oh.
I think I see.
(I'm very confused inasmuch as your comment comes after mine on the thread. Damn' time-machines!)
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 05:03 pm
Though it's pretty well known that EB and I are almost polar opposites, I can relate to, and share the frustration. I will vote, and I know who I won't be voting for. As to who I will vote for, that is somewhat undecided.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 05:11 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
I can only compare things back to the mid-1970's, when I started to pay attention to American politics. When I compare Americans I knew then (mostly lower/lower-middle class people from northern New York State - not exactly a liberal utopia at any time) to Americans I know now - and I compare what I know of the overall politics of the country - things in the U.S. feel very right of where they were in the 1970's and 1980's.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 05:19 pm
@ehBeth,
Oh, sure, compared to '70s and '80s, you're absolutely right. We've gone from violently protesting the war (in Vietnam) to wildly cheering troops returning from the war (in Iraq or Afghanistan). I agree. But I see it as a seesaw, not a general historic trend. The next move has to be to the left. I thought Obama's election was a good begining.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 05:52 pm
@failures art,
Don't forget, at least a part of my criteria involves making the Democrats sweat.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 05:56 pm
@panzade,
panzade wrote:

From the US Treasury; figures don't lie.


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/394799_2469764507935_1367012868_32028309_1437506287_n.jpg

Don't let people tell you Obama is responsible for raising the debt.

While I'm busy C&Pasting. Bernie is my hero.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/380214_2206351038432_1237087670_31933234_2098808709_n.jpg


You can post things I agree with, like these, but it does not change the fact the nation is steadily sliding to the right.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 05:58 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Quote:
My conscience leaves me no other choice.


You don't have one of those, Merry, but you're hardly the only one.

You guys really aren't listening. Nixon could be the Dem candidate in 2012 and you haven't a clue how serious this has become.

Oh, I know - [whine,whine] What will happen to the US? We poor sots are suffering so! [whine whine]
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 06:00 pm
Anybody who read my initial post, the CP, it was pointed out that Nixon's policies were way left of every succeeding president except Carter.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 06:01 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
And yet, we have still continued to see great strides taken in the areas of liberty and equality for all, over the last few decades.


How might that be? Has it been US policy to encourage their coterie of worldwide dictators to stop torturing and murdering their citizens. Next, we're gonna hear how the US started the Arab Spring.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 06:04 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Quote:
the moral dilemma


Ya gotta stop using words that you have no connection to, Merry.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 06:28 pm
@panzade,
Gee, Reagan increased the debt by 189% and he still didn't have enough money for his program to rape, torture and murder 300,000 innocents in Central America.

So what did he do? Well, garshucks, he just followed that old 'Merican way, he started a business selling arms, which of course, he never paid for, to the Iranians and then he funneled that loot to the terrorists he had hired to wreak havoc in those same Central American countries.

I think it's time for another real war criminal. Come on, America, let's get one that puts the Reagan/Bush/Bush crew to shame.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 06:29 pm
@panzade,
Bernie Sanders is another guy that is way way too honest to be involved in US politics. Ever notice how few and far between these guys are?
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