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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
Ticomaya
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 07:48 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
I don't know how people can get married and then divorced in a year. It seems very immature to me, and part of the me now attitude that bollocks everything up.

Surely you are open-minded enough to understand that the idea to get divorced after one year may not be the idea of each of the divorcees?
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 08:05 am
@Ticomaya,
izzythepush wrote:
I don't know how people can get married and then divorced in a year.
It seems very immature to me, and part of the me now attitude that bollocks everything up.
Ticomaya wrote:
Surely you are open-minded enough to understand that the idea to get divorced after one year
may not be the idea of each of the divorcees?
I think that it is part of human history that quarrels have broken out during honeymoons
that have doomed those relationships to swift n emotional ends.

My memory goes back to the comedy TV show named Friends,
wherein the groom said to the bride: "I, Ross, take thee Rachel . . . "
when Rachel was sitting in the audience watching.

If that happened in real life, I wonder how Rachel 'd feel ?





David
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 08:17 am
@Ticomaya,
Yeah, but it's the marry in haste repent in leisure syndrome.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 08:20 am
@izzythepush,
Marry in haste; divorce in leisure.

I remain: divorce-proof!





David
izzythepush
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 08:21 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Pity you're not damp proof.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 08:23 am
@izzythepush,
R u accusing me of being sweaty ??
firefly
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 11:50 am
@BillRM,
Quote:

Oh no court hearing as on the order or a letter that came with the order I forgotten that detail it stated that I would had needed to call the court clerk and request a court hearing to challenge the order within a certain time period.

You overlooked the statement that said you had to request a hearing to challenge your wife's request for an Order of Protection.

So, why have you been blaming your lawyer? After you failed to request a hearing in a timely fashion, no wonder he told you it wasn't worth it to fight it.

Someone interested in his reputation, or who could prove his innocence, would not have overlooked that detail about needing to request a hearing to present his version of events--particularly during an impending divorce action. Perhaps your ability to read is no better than your dismal ability to write in intelligible English. You frequently do misinterpret things you read in other people's posts, and you even misinterpret articles you yourself post.

Thank goodness they do have Orders of Protection to protect spouses in situations where they might be harmed, particularly during separations and divorces, it's only a shame they aren't more effective.
Quote:
I am surprise come to think of it that it only took me two and a half decades to be able to remarried.

It's interesting that you blame your first wife, rather than your own poor judgment, for the failure of that marriage. Even from your version of events, you married someone you apparently didn't know very well, and the responsibility for that rests with you too.

I'm not surprised your current wife waited 20 years before agreeing to marry you, or that she now sleeps with a gun.

izzythepush
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 12:21 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I wasn't, but I think I might now.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 02:42 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
So, why have you been blaming your lawyer? After you failed to request a hearing in a timely fashion, no wonder he told you it wasn't worth it to fight it.


Where did I blamed my lawyer my virgin old maid friend for telling me I should not waste resources fighting what at the time seems a minor side issue?

He could not had foreseen an age where even a restraining order from three decades pass would come up in a computer search in 1982 so such silliness could effect the good name of someone forever.

Side note that is not thankful true in my case, as the record is indeed online however under a misspelling of my name so no long term harm of any kind is being done to me.

That sadly is not true for a lot of good innocent men who wives went the route of filing false restraining orders decades ago.

Quote:
Thank goodness they do have Orders of Protection to protect spouses in situations where they might be harmed, particularly during separations and divorces, it's only a shame they aren't more effective.


Those orders had proven very effective in getting a head up in such issues as child custody and the seizing of a family home for many many months and …………………..

What is even more wonderful is there is no punishment for filing false claims in such a order under oath or at least I could not find one case of that happening.

Quote:
It's interesting that you blame your first wife, rather than your own poor judgment, for the failure of that marriage. Even from your version of events, you married someone you apparently didn't know very well, and the responsibility for that rests with you too
.

Hmm does that thinking work in reverse Firefly IE if a woman use bad judgment in marrying a man and he slaps her or steal from her or bring in illegal drugs into the house or allow his sister to live in the home even after she brought in a stolen engagement ring she had ripped off a girlfriend it is not the husband fault but the woman fault for marrying him?

BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 02:53 pm
@firefly,
http://www.batteredmen.com/youngres.htm

The abuse of restraining orders

Copyright © 1999 by Cathy Young

Ceasefire: Why Women and Men Must Join Forces to Achieve True Equality
by Cathy Young
Synopsis
Reviews
Order on-line The case of Harry Stewart, a lay minister who was convicted of violating a restraining order granted to his former wife and went to jail earlier this month rather than enter a counseling program that required him to admit being a batterer, has galvanized fathers' rights advocates in Massachusetts. It has also drawn long-overdue attention to an issue these activists have been raising for a long time: abuses of civil rights and of the legal system stemming from a well-intentioned campaign to protect women from domestic abuse.

Stewart says that, far from abusing his wife, he was the victim of her violence. (In 1997, he was featured in a TV story on battered husbands.) He has never been charged with assault. His crime consisted of this: When bringing his 5-year-old son back to the mother after visitation, he walked the boy to the apartment building and opened the front door. The restraining order forbade him to exit his car near his ex-wife's residence.

Unfortunately, Stewart's case is not unique. A few years ago, another Massachusetts man with no record of violence was prosecuted because, while returning his children from a visit, he stepped out of the car to pet the family dogs.

Are these horror stories blown out of proportion by angry divorced men? No. Even many attorneys, men and women, agree that a serious problem exists. In a 1993 article in the Massachusetts Bar Association Newsletter, Elaine Epstein, then president of the Massachusetts Bar Association, warned that the ''frenzy surrounding domestic violence'' was leading to disturbing excesses: ''Restraining orders ... are granted to virtually all who apply... In many [divorce] cases, allegations of abuse are now used for tactical advantage.'' Under the Abuse Prevention Act of 1978, a temporary restraining order can be issued ex parte, without the defendant being notified - much less informed of the specific charges. In theory, he can present his side at a later hearing to determine if the order should be made permanent.

At these hearings, however, the defendant has none of the safeguards of a criminal trial. Cross-examination of witnesses may be severely limited, and many attorneys say that exculpatory evidence is unlikely to be given serious weight.

A 1995 study by the Massachusetts courts found that of the nearly 60,000 orders issued annually, fewer than half involve even an allegation of physical violence. Epstein says that she has seen ''affidavits which just said someone was in fear, or there had been an argument or yelling.'' In 1990, the Supreme Judicial Court ruled that a claim of ''fear'' was not enough to support a restraining order: there had to be ''reasonable'' fear of ''imminent serious physical harm.'' But often, judges who worry about being perceived as insensitive to women are satisfied with an affirmative reply to ''Are you afraid of bodily harm by the defendant?'' Indeed, former state Representative Barbara Gray, a sponsor of the Abuse Prevention Act, told me three years ago that ''judges grant the restraining orders without asking too many questions'' - though she saw nothing wrong with that.

With the order in effect, any contact becomes punishable by up to two and half years of imprisonment. Legally, it doesn't matter if the contact is accidental, or if it happened with the purported victim's consent or at her initiative. Fathers hit with restraining orders based on trivial or uncorroborated allegations have been jailed for sending their kids a Christmas card, asking a telephone operator to convey the message that a gravely ill grandmother would like to see her grandchildren, or returning a child's phone call.

Critics of the law claim that a majority of restraining orders are obtained under false pretenses; defenders say that it's no more than 5 percent. But even the low estimate adds up to about 2,000 a year - hardly a trifle when individuals lose their homes, their children, and sometimes their freedom.

To many feminists, talk of vindictive, manipulative ex-wives smacks of misogyny. But to recognize that women may sometimes abuse the power they have is simply to recognize that women are human. And men, too, have misused restraining orders. In 1995, Stephen Gruning stormed into the home of ex-girlfriend Rhonda Stuart, shot and wounded her and killed her brother and her new boyfriend. He had earlier been granted two temporary restraining orders against Stuart. On that occasion, women's advocates were quick to point out that a restraining order was very easy to get and could be used as a ''coercive tool, regardless of the facts.''

When I spoke to Gray, she conceded that the use of restraining orders as weapons in divorce cases was ''always a possibility,'' but insisted that there was no way to curb such abuses without endangering women who need protection. This typical attitude bodes ill for civil rights - and it may not do victims much good. Several studies suggest that restraining orders have little, if any, protective effect. Indeed, a system bogged down in trivial pursuit may fail to single out cases of real danger.

Change in the current law is badly needed. Yet, as Senate minority leader Brian P. Lees (R-Hampden) noted, women's groups have opposed any proposal to protect the rights of defendants under restraining orders.

Charges of domestic violence, by women or men, must be taken seriously. But in the American system of justice, sensitivity to victims should never turn into a presumption of guilt.

Cathy Young is vice-president of the Women's Freedom Network. She is the author of Ceasefire: Why Women and Men Must Join Forces to Achieve True Equality. She can be reached at [email protected].

This column first appeared on page A19 of the Boston Globe on 08/30/99.



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BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 04:04 pm
I am still waiting with great great interest how Firefly is going to answer my question is it a woman fault if she get slap or get stolen from, or have her husband bring in illegal drugs or have a family member living in the house that is using it to hid stolen property because she used bad judgment in marrying him.

Or is this thinking below just one way and does not apply to a wife only to a husband.



Quote:
It's interesting that you blame your first wife, rather than your own poor judgment, for the failure of that marriage. Even from your version of events, you married someone you apparently didn't know very well, and the responsibility for that rests with you too.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 04:33 pm
@BillRM,
Why Bill are you cooperating with this effort to derail this thread into your alleged personal faults? Has it not occurred to you that this effort might be motivated by lack of ability on their part to address the topic?
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 05:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye the subject had reach somewhere in the neighborhood of 88 pages or so and I do not think that it need more covering unless something new come up or the man is in the news once more.

Now I got the little virgin old maid being the fine hypocrite we all know her to be and I am enjoying it.

It a man fault if he is an abuse spouse for picking the wrong mate but that is never the case for a woman.

It kind of like playing chess and someone is so focus on attacking your queen he leaved his king unguarded.

Firefly was so focus on attacking me she did not see what she was revealing about herself.

Yes we all know this about her but this is so nice and solid.

Chess mate Firefly.

hawkeye10
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 05:22 pm
@BillRM,
This fanatical need to make every argument and exploration of fact personal (often times derogatory) is a flaw in our society. We used to be better than this.
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 05:29 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye they can not help themselves they love to do silly personal attacks labeling you as a pervert and labeling me a collector of CP and so on.

Oh thanks for the boobs thread as for someone who is supposed to be into children I am a boobs man.

However could you not had found an uncensor picture or two?
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 05:35 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Chess mate Firefly.


This is why people think you're stupid. On so many levels.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 05:41 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
This is why people think you're stupid. On so many levels.


Is Bill the subject of frantic PM's?

Have you developed telepathy?

Please explain your source of your expertise in being able to speak for the state of other people's minds re Bill's intelligence.
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 05:54 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
This is why people think you're stupid. On so many levels.


I been meaning to ask you and now you gotten us on the subject of stupidity beside not locking your computer up so the police would had no problem looking at your hard drives do you also leave your front door unlock in case the police would wish to come in and look around?

I do not think you are stupid I know you are.
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firefly
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 06:12 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

That sadly is not true for a lot of good innocent men who wives went the route of filing false restraining orders decades ago.

Who says you are innocent? You? Laughing

You didn't have the guts to call the court clerk to schedule a hearing to counter her claim for requesting a protective order. If you didn't bother to go into court to claim your innocence at the time, don't expect anyone to believe you now.

It was after you neglected to schedule that hearing, and she got her protective order, that your lawyer told you it wasn't worth arguing any further--because you failed to respond in court when you should have responded.

You take no responsibility for anything.

And this woman didn't suddenly turn into a drug addict, or anything else, immediately after marrying you, she was what she was when she married you. You were either oblivious or unconscious about the person you chose to marry. And she may have known how dumb you were for being so clueless about who you were marrying. But, you can't blame her for your poor choice of a marital partner, or your deficits in judging the character of the person you chose to be involved with and marry.

You were dumb then and you're still dumb.

You didn't understand laws then and you still don't understand them. You could have had your day in court to assert your alleged "innocence", but you chose not to do that. So, don't bother to plead your case with your one-sided version of events now. She obtained a legitimate Order of Protection against you.



firefly
 
  1  
Tue 20 Dec, 2011 06:14 pm
@izzythepush,
I think if BillRM ever realized how stupid he really is it would overwhelm him.

His stupidity protects him from reality.
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