Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

You really are crazy.

I think stupid is a more appropriate epithet. If he were crazy he'd be interesting, but he's managed to make the subject of SM and bondage very very dull.

Quite an, (unintentional) achievement when you think about it.

A great payday for lawyers and a whole new industry of searching for and finding victims will be born if the SC allowed this to stand.

Of course with no rational basic to set amounts of damages I guess the court will need to just picked judgments amounts out of thin air.

That what had been missing in this CP area having both the criminal side and the civil side of our justice system both being driven completely irrational over this matter instead of just the criminal side.

Teams of searchers searching the nursing homes for the older victims while other teams search the third world.....................

Come to think about it and knowing human nature when millions are on the line I can just see firms/lawyers finding ways to get their clients images into greater circulation among CP traders

I am going to have to bookmark this posting so when the first headlines are public concerning such misdeeds I can claim bragging rights in predicting it happening well ahead of time.

I am going to need to read this new law as the article below does not make a great deal of sense.

First how many times would a college or a university run into cases of child abuse as the case in PA with the program that Sandusky ran should not be common at universities unless arguments and conflicts where there is a 17 year old college student involved is going to come under child abuse laws. Nothing would surprise me in this crazy world.

Second did this law turn all Florida citizens into mandatory reporters in other word turning us all into unpaid police informers or not?


http://abcnews.go.com/US/sandusky-florida-passes-nations-toughest-sexual-abuse-reporting/story?id=17434307

The Penn State scandal helped shape a new Florida sexual abuse reporting law that has been called the toughest in the nation, holding universities and individuals financially and criminally liable for failure to report suspected abuse.

Under the law, which went into effect Oct. 1, colleges and universities that "knowingly and willfully" fail to report known or suspected child abuse or prevent another person from doing so will be slapped with a $1 million fine for each failure.

"We learned is we didn't want to take a chance on [them]," said Ron Book, president of Lauren's Kids, a nonprofit that helped spearhead the legislation.

That began with mandating schools report all allegations, not just conduct their own investigations. Book pointed to allegations from Penn State, Syracuse University and The Citadel that were known to administrators but not reported to authorities.

"What we learned after the Sandusky indictment was even though we prided ourselves as being a true mandatory reporting state, we found we weren't," Book said.

Aside from the university financial penalties, Book and his daughter, Lauren, a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, also helped closed loopholes in the legislation for individual reporting.

"Applying Penn State to the old Florida law, would Mike McQueary had to report what he saw?" Book said, referring to the former Penn State assistant coach who witnessed Sandusky raping a boy in the school's showers.

"The answer was he would not have."

Previously, a person who called the state abuse hotline to report a suspected incident involving a child would have been asked to call law enforcement if the suspected predator was not a care taker or parent of the child, Book said.

"What we've learned is it's hard enough to get a victim or observer to call once," he said.

Under the new law, witnesses, like McQueary, or people who suspect abuse, are required to call a centralized hotline run by the Florida Department of Children and Families or face third-degree felony charges and a $5,000 fine.

Jennifer Dritt, executive director of the Florida Council Against Sexual Violence, said the stricter reporting law won't necessarily reduce the number of cases of abuse.

"Bad people are going to do bad things," she said, "but I think we can reduce it and we can make it very clear to every citizen that we're all responsible for the welfare of our children."

The Florida Department of Children and Families reported a 25 percent increase in calls since the law went into effect on Oct. 1.

While other states have mandatory reporting laws, there are still loopholes, Book said.

He'd like to see the Florida law he helped pass be used as a model for other states, especially for how they handle situations at colleges and universities.

"If you don't back it up with financial and criminal penalties, you've done nothing and we've gotten nothing out of Sandusky," he said.

Well here the law and the interesting thing is it should hardly ever be use and just another worthless law on the book that sooner or later someone will find a way to misused.

I am fairly sure that the colleges and universities lawyers will tell them that the safest way with dealing with this law is just not to have any young minors on campuses.

But it sound good in the newspapers.


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=child+abused&URL=0000-0099/0039/Sections/0039.205.html


39.205 Penalties relating to reporting of child abuse, abandonment, or neglect.—(1) A person who is required to report known or suspected child abuse, abandonment, or neglect and who knowingly and willfully fails to do so, or who knowingly and willfully prevents another person from doing so, commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. A judge subject to discipline pursuant to s. 12, Art. V of the Florida Constitution shall not be subject to criminal prosecution when the information was received in the course of official duties.
(2) Unless the court finds that the person is a victim of domestic violence or that other mitigating circumstances exist, a person who is 18 years of age or older and lives in the same house or living unit as a child who is known or suspected to be a victim of child abuse, neglect of a child, or aggravated child abuse, and knowingly and willfully fails to report the child abuse commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(3) Any Florida College System institution, state university, or nonpublic college, university, or school, as defined in s. 1000.21 or s. 1005.02, whose administrators knowingly and willfully, upon receiving information from faculty, staff, or other institution employees, fail to report known or suspected child abuse, abandonment, or neglect committed on the property of the university, college, or school, or during an event or function sponsored by the university, college, or school, or who knowingly and willfully prevent another person from doing so, shall be subject to fines of $1 million for each such failure.
(a) A Florida College System institution subject to a fine shall be assessed by the State Board of Education.
(b) A state university subject to a fine shall be assessed by the Board of Governors.
(c) A nonpublic college, university, or school subject to a fine shall be assessed by the Commission for Independent Education.
(4) Any Florida College System institution, state university, or nonpublic college, university, or school, as defined in s. 1000.21 or s. 1005.02, whose law enforcement agency fails to report known or suspected child abuse, abandonment, or neglect committed on the property of the university, college, or school, or during an event or function sponsored by the university, college, or school, shall be subject to fines of $1 million for each such failure assessed in the same manner as subsection (3).
(5) Any Florida College System institution, state university, or nonpublic college, university, or school, as defined in s. 1000.21 or s. 1005.02, shall have the right to challenge the determination that the institution acted knowingly and willfully under subsection (3) or subsection (4) in an administrative hearing pursuant to s. 120.57; however, if it is found that actual knowledge and information of known or suspected child abuse was in fact received by the institution’s administrators and was not reported, a presumption of a knowing and willful act will be established.
(6) A person who knowingly and willfully makes public or discloses any confidential information contained in the central abuse hotline or in the records of any child abuse, abandonment, or neglect case, except as provided in this chapter, commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(7) The department shall establish procedures for determining whether a false report of child abuse, abandonment, or neglect has been made and for submitting all identifying information relating to such a report to the appropriate law enforcement agency and shall report annually to the Legislature the number of reports referred.
(8) If the department or its authorized agent has determined during the course of its investigation that a report is a false report, the department may discontinue all investigative activities and shall, with the consent of the alleged perpetrator, refer the report to the local law enforcement agency having jurisdiction for an investigation to determine whether sufficient evidence exists to refer the case for prosecution for filing a false report as defined in s. 39.01. During the pendency of the investigation, the department must notify the local law enforcement agency of, and the local law enforcement agency must respond to, all subsequent reports concerning children in that same family in accordance with s. 39.301. If the law enforcement agency believes that there are indicators of abuse, abandonment, or neglect, it must immediately notify the department, which must ensure the safety of the children. If the law enforcement agency finds sufficient evidence for prosecution for filing a false report, it must refer the case to the appropriate state attorney for prosecution.
(9) A person who knowingly and willfully makes a false report of child abuse, abandonment, or neglect, or who advises another to make a false report, is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. Anyone making a report who is acting in good faith is immune from any liability under this subsection.

Well it look like all citizens of Florida are mandatory reporters of suspected child abused even if most do not need to give their names.



39.201 Mandatory reports of child abuse, abandonment, or neglect; mandatory reports of death; central abuse hotline.—(1)(a) Any person who knows, or has reasonable cause to suspect, that a child is abused, abandoned, or neglected by a parent, legal custodian, caregiver, or other person responsible for the child’s welfare, as defined in this chapter, or that a child is in need of supervision and care and has no parent, legal custodian, or responsible adult relative immediately known and available to provide supervision and care shall report such knowledge or suspicion to the department in the manner prescribed in subsection (2).
(b) Any person who knows, or who has reasonable cause to suspect, that a child is abused by an adult other than a parent, legal custodian, caregiver, or other person responsible for the child’s welfare, as defined in this chapter, shall report such knowledge or suspicion to the department in the manner prescribed in subsection (2).
(c) Any person who knows, or has reasonable cause to suspect, that a child is the victim of childhood sexual abuse or the victim of a known or suspected juvenile sexual offender, as defined in this chapter, shall report such knowledge or suspicion to the department in the manner prescribed in subsection (2).
(d) Reporters in the following occupation categories are required to provide their names to the hotline staff:
1. Physician, osteopathic physician, medical examiner, chiropractic physician, nurse, or hospital personnel engaged in the admission, examination, care, or treatment of persons;
2. Health or mental health professional other than one listed in subparagraph 1.;
3. Practitioner who relies solely on spiritual means for healing;
4. School teacher or other school official or personnel;
5. Social worker, day care center worker, or other professional child care, foster care, residential, or institutional worker;
6. Law enforcement officer; or
7. Judge.
The names of reporters shall be entered into the record of the report, but shall be held confidential and exempt as provided in s. 39.202.

I am happy that at least two readers who voted down the postings of the new Florida law agree with me that they are another example of unneeded laws that will sit on the books until some government official find a way to misused them.

Thank for the support and sharing my opinion of the law in question.

I can see all universities and colleges in the state checking to see if they had any programs for minors and shutting them down at once.

No one with a brain cell is going to risk even a remote chance of a million dollar fine and felonies.

Felonies for not reporting and perhaps felonies for reporting if someone claimed the report was in bad faith.

it is a short walk from there to criminalizing the refusal to snitch on folk who are doing things in their intimate relationship which the state does not approve of. the fulfillment of victim culture makes for a fine Trojan Horse for the gathering police state.

Child porn and child abused had also been used as an excuse right up there with national security to not allow the internet advancing security technology to shut down the abilities of governments to do mass spying on their citizens.

http://deadspin.com/5950518/the-child-porn-case-against-minnesota-state-head-football-coach-todd-hoffner-is-falling-apart

The Child Porn Case Against Minnesota State Head Football Coach Todd Hoffner Is Falling Apart
Dom Cosentino View ProfileEmailTwitterRSSIn August, when the details of the child porn allegations against Minnesota State head football coach Todd Hoffner first emerged, they seemed particularly disturbing: Hoffner, 46, allegedly had videos on his school-issued phone of his own three children, all under the age of 10, dancing naked and touching themselves. The Division II coach was charged with using minors in a sexual performance and possession of child pornography, both felonies.

But according to documents recently released by Hoffner's attorney, the local human services agency found no evidence of any abuse or maltreatment. In addition, the agency said child protective services would not even need to conduct its own investigation. Previously, investigators had found no child pornography when they searched Hoffner's home computer and other devices.

Here's the Mankato Free Press, referring to Hoffner's wife, Melodee:

Melodee Hoffner said the videos were not sexual and simply showed innocent family fun.

"The charges against my husband are ridiculous and baseless," she said during an Aug. 27 press conference. "My family does what every family does—we take videos and pictures of our kids in all their craziness. My husband would not ever abuse our children or any other child."

Prosecutors have declined to comment. Hoffner's lawyers have filed a motion for the second time to ask that the charges be dropped. Hoffner remains on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the case.

[Mankato Free Press]


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Lord I love this voting system and the only thing that would be better is if there was a list of who voted and how they voted.

It would be amusing to ask the down voters why a news story of an innocent man slowly getting his name clear of CP charges concerning his own children should not be a happy event.

Could it be that some of the readers of this thread for there own reasons wish the man kids to had been in fact the subject of sexual abused and the video on his camera a record of that abused instead of innocent family recordings?

Kind of similar to Firefly complaining that my postings here on the state of security softwares is aiding pedophiles using google searches and yet she was willing to add keywords to her own postings that would give such people a far more likely chance of finding this thread in a google search in order to prove me wrong that this thread is not all that findable by people with such interests.

Lot of evilness in the hearts of humans and not all of that evilness involved CP traders.

Nothing like using government power and resources to go after evil cartoons collectors or tied up a prison cell for three years for such a dangerous criminal for that matter at a cost to the taxpayers of around 120,000 dollars.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/120225-Missouri-Man-Pleads-Guilty-To-Possession-of-Cartoon-Child-Porn


Missouri Man Pleads Guilty To Possession of "Cartoon" Child PornJohnathan Grey Carter | 19 October 2012 1:55 am

535 Missouri resident, Christian Bee, faces a potential 3-year prison sentence over "incest comics" found on his computer.

On Monday, the US Department of Justice's "Project Safe childhood" initiative revealed that 36-year-old Missouri resident, Christjan Bee, has pleaded guilty to obscenity charges after police found "cartoons" depicting child pornography on his computer. Under the terms of Bee's plea agreement, the government will recommend a sentence of three years in federal prison without the possibility of parole. The sentencing hearing will be scheduled after the United States Probation Office conducts a pre-sentence investigation.

The police discovered Bee's stash of pornographic comics after his wife contacted the Monett Police department and claimed she'd found child pornography on his computer. Police officers promptly obtained a search warrant and confiscated Bee's computer.

Project Safe Childhood was launched in 2006. The initiative aims to "combat the growing epidemic of child sexual exploitation and abuse." It also seems to have declared itself an arbiter of artistic merit, adding in its press release that Bee's comics "clearly lack any literary, artistic, political or scientific value."

Bee has technically been charged with possession of "obscenity," which under US law includes "a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that - (1)(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and (B) is obscene."

In February of last year, Christopher Handley was sentenced to six months in prison, to be followed by three years of supervised release and five years of probation, after he pleaded guilty to possession of obscenity in the form of "drawings of children being sexually abused."

More recently, Sweden's Supreme Court acquitted manga translator, Simon Lundström, overruling two lower court convictions that deemed his collection of loli-manga constituted child porn.

Did u post something about the Internet "going dark" ?

The tend of the internet techology is toward it becoming impossible to tap into the flow of information flowing over the net and the FBI is the one I think that coin the word going dark in connection with them losing the ability with or without warrants to taped communications over the net.

They had ask congress to pass laws requiring back doors to be place in the new technology so they can maintain their tapping abilities into the future and so the internet will not go dark to them.

The problem with back doors for anyone is that more and more of the total wealth of society is being transfer over the net and any back door for anyone will allow the bad guys ways into that information and the wealth it control also.

Of course given the history of the FBI saying they will not themselves act as bad guys from time to time is too must to hope for.

Any response?
What happened ?

So far these laws had been block but they keep coming back to congress with slightly difference approaches.

Judge tosses out child porn case against Minnesota State coach Hoffner
CBSSports.com wire reports
Nov. 30, 2012 3:29 PM ET

13 | Comments MINNEAPOLIS -- A Minnesota judge on Friday dismissed child pornography charges against a college football coach accused of making pornographic videos of his children.

Blue Earth County District Judge Krista Jass granted coach Todd Hoffner's request for dismissal, saying she didn't see anything in the videos of an explicit sexual nature.

"The videos under consideration here contain nude images of Defendant's minor children dancing and acting playful after a bath. That is all they contain," Jass wrote in her ruling.

Hoffner, the head coach at Minnesota State, Mankato, was charged in August with one count of using minors in a sexual performance or pornographic work and one count of possessing child pornography. Both are felonies. Prosecutors said he made videos of his children performing lewd acts while naked. But Hoffner and his wife insisted all along that the videos were merely images of children acting silly and dancing after taking a bath.

Hoffner, 46, of Eagle Lake, has been on leave from his coaching job since August, after the images were found on his work-issued cellphone.

Hoffner's attorneys declined immediate comment, saying they planned a news conference later Friday in Mankato. The county attorney's office had no immediate comment.

A message left for a university spokesman wasn't immediately returned.

At a hearing in October, Hoffner testified that the night he shot the video, in June 2011, he had told his three children to take a bubble bath so he could get some work done. Hoffner said the children later came down in towels and asked him to videotape them. He said he never directed the kids, and never watched the video afterward or showed it to anyone.

"There was nothing inappropriate about any of these videos," Hoffner said at the hearing.

Prosecutor Mike Hanson has said the decision on whether or not the videos were pornography should be left to a jury. He has disputed the claim that the images were innocent family fun.

"Adults should not make videos of children in lewd poses. Period," he has said.

During the investigation, social workers found no evidence the couple's children had been abused, and a search of Hoffner's home computer found no evidence of child porn.

Hoffner was entering his fifth year as head football coach at Division II Minnesota State, Mankato, where he had a 34-13 record. He led the Mavericks to the playoffs in 2008 and 2009 and a share of the Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference title in 2011. He was named NSIC coach of the year in 2009. The Mavericks are undefeated at 9-0 in his absence, under acting coach Aaron Keen.

Hoffner has had support in the community, with some supporters holding a candlelight vigil outside his home as the case was pending.

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It does not matter if you had done anything wrong or not if you are hit with even a judge ruled unfounded charge of CP your live is in ruin forever more and your family future is harm also.

One wonder how must harm is being done to those children by them blaming themselves for a few seconds of horseplay that open this silly can of worms.


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/28/3159399/coach-cleared-of-child-porn-wants.html


Minn. coach reassigned after cleared of child porn
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MANKATO, Minn. -- A Minnesota state university has reassigned its football coach to an administrative role, a month after he was cleared of child pornography charges that stemmed from cellphone videos of his naked children clowning around after a bath.
An attorney for Todd Hoffner immediately said his client would fight the move and seek reinstatement as head coach at Minnesota State, Mankato.
Hoffner has been given the position of assistant athletic director for facilities development, effective immediately, the university said in a news release issued late Friday. Hoffner would be responsible for helping develop the school's master plan for athletics and recreation facilities, the university said.
The school has no comment on whether Hoffner's reassignment was a mutual decision, university spokesman Dan Benson said in an email to the AP.
Hoffner's civil attorney, Chris Madel, told the Star Tribune that his client has no intentions of abiding by the university's decision.
"We intend to fight the university until Mr. Hoffner is restored as head coach of the successful football team he created," Madel told the newspaper.
The Associated Press left phone messages seeking comment by Madel and the attorney for Hoffner's union Friday night.
The school said Aaron Keen will remain acting head football coach for the Mavericks. Keen acted as head coach all season.
"Minnesota State Mankato will be making additional decisions regarding the head football coach position in the coming weeks," the news release said.
The Free Press of Mankato reported that Hoffner asked for an injunction earlier this month to keep the police investigative reports in his case sealed after a Twin Cities television station asked to see them. Hoffer is seeking a temporary restraining order that would keep anyone from disseminating the investigative file.
District Court Judge Krista Jass ruled last week that the reports will remain private until they can be reviewed, according to the newspaper.
Jass ordered prosecutors to gather all investigative reports and turn them over to Hoffner's attorney, Jim Fleming, who has said releasing the documents would "irreparably harm" his client. He'll be allowed to file a sealed list of information that he believes should be kept from the public. After receiving Fleming's list, Jass will decide what should remain sealed.
Hoffner was charged with possession of child porn in August after school officials found videos of his naked children on his work-issued cellphone, which he had turned in to be repaired. Jass dismissed the criminal charges last month after concluding that the short videos of his children acting silly after a bath were not child porn and showed nothing illegal.
Last week, the university said Hoffner was no longer on administrative leave but that it hadn't reinstated him as coach. The university didn't give reasons for the decision, citing data privacy laws. But the school did say in the statement it was still investigating a complaint against Hoffner. University officials didn't elaborate.
Connie Howard, an attorney for the union representing Hoffner, told the AP by email last week that Hoffner was being suspended without pay for 20 days starting Jan. 7. She didn't give the reason for the suspension, but said the union was challenging it.
It's not clear where the suspension stands now that the university has reassigned Hoffner.
Information from: The Free Press, http://www.mankatofreepress.com

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