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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 02:45 pm
@Green Witch,
Quote:
No, nothing about burkas. He's saying adult men who get sexually aroused by very young girls have a problem and are clueless as to why it is a problem.
You are about 30 years behind the times, a pervert is now one who admits to enjoying watching females under the age of 18 for any reason, there is no need for any "Bong!" action from the penis, nor any need to make contact with the young female to be classed as a predator by this government.

Just to be clear though, the state does not have the right to lay sanctions upon those who are sexually excited by individuals under the age of 18...so long as looking and thinking are all that happen the state has no jurisdiction.
BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 02:51 pm
@contrex,
Quote:
If the forensic examination proved negative, then possibly he could sue the passenger, the airline, the police, or all three


Not under US law as you can not be sue if you in good faith reported to the police what to you appear to be a crime so that protection cover the passenger and the airline.

As far as suing the police that is as unlikely to work unless you can show they acted in a very very unreasonable manner and not in good faith.

Now they would had a real problem with my notebook as it is protected with 256 AES and no one, once I turn it off, is going to be looking at it without my permission for any reason.

Also unlike a numbers of other countries the fifth amendment to the US constitution is one hell of a legal barrier to being force to turn over the encrypted keys.

Of course the government is trying to bypass that protection and a case is now in court concerning a seized laptop.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 03:12 pm
@BillRM,
Also, the state is purposefully dragging the guy through the mud, ruining his reputation, gratuitously. The explanation always given is that the state wants to beat the bushes looking for more victims, but in the case of alleged child porn there is no victim to find, all that the state needs to know is loaded up on the guys computers. We see in such cases as this that the state resorts to the club out of a desire to use the club, not out of any effort to further the greater good.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 03:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
The Mass law,

Quote:
(vii) depicted or portrayed in any pose, posture or setting involving a lewd exhibition of
the unclothed genitals, pubic area, buttocks or, if such person is female, a fully or
partially developed breast of the child; with knowledge of the nature or content thereof
shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than five years or in a
jail or house of correction for not more than two and one-half years or by a fine of not
less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000, or by both such fine and imprisonment for the
first offense, not less than five years in a state prison or by a fine of not less than $5,000
nor more than $20,000, or by both such fine and imprisonment for the second offense, not
less than 10 years in a state prison or by a fine of not less than $10,000 nor more than
$30,000, or by both such fine and imprisonment for the third and subsequent offenses.

http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/Child%20Pornography%20Possession%20Statutes%203-2010.pdf

By this definition the movie "Hound Dog" is child porn...maybe this is what Smith was watching...or teenage boys in droopy pants striking a gangster pose, or home video of the three year old without a shirt on, or.....

"Child Porn" means nothing to me other that the state did not like what he was watching...explain it or show me what it was, and then I could talk about whether this is a bad guy or not. Right now we have no way to know.
Green Witch
 
  2  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 03:51 pm
@hawkeye10,
I'm not talking about a 17 year old in a bikini and you know it. Child pornography depicts children. Men who get sexually aroused looking at children (of either sex) are a social danger and should be monitored to make sure they do not act on their fantasies or create pornography for other perverts to gawk at.
BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 04:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
We can see how crazy the child porn laws can be when late teenagers are being charge or being threatened with being charge with producing or having child porn for taking sexual pictures of themselves.

Young men can in many cased legally had sex with a sub-18 years old partner but could face a minimum four years sentence in the US for having a sexual picture of her on his cell phone. Hell the way the laws read the woman could even be his wife!!!!!!!!!

Somewhere in my house is likely a commercial VHS tape of a 1980s movie by the name of the Coke Cola Cowboy that had a shower scene of a very well build young woman showering with what is suppose to be her 8/10 years old daughter. The movie by the way is a light comedy and not a sex film in any way.

If I find it in my home I will need to destroy it as in theory even a commercially released movie of the 1980s might get me facing child porn charges.

We live in a crazy world indeed.



BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 04:18 pm
@Green Witch,
Quote:
I'm not talking about a 17 year old in a bikini and you know it


Whatever you are talking about that is not how the currents laws are written.
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 04:30 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Somewhere in my house is likely a commercial VHS tape of a 1980s movie by the name of the Coke Cola Cowboy that had a shower scene of a very well build young woman showering with what is suppose to be her 8/10 years old daughter. The movie by the way is a light comedy and not a sex film in any way.
There are quite a lot of movies made around the 1970's which at the time were rated R but which now qualify under child porn laws as a ticket for several years in the pokey for viewing....

This is where we are in America now....
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contrex
 
  4  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 04:32 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Somewhere in my house is likely a commercial VHS tape of a 1980s movie by the name of the Coke Cola Cowboy that had a shower scene of a very well build young woman showering with what is suppose to be her 8/10 years old daughter.


I see you remember it well.
BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 04:50 pm
@contrex,
Quote:
I see you remember it well.


Yes, I remember it very well as the movie was a light comedy and that scene coming out of the blue was a surprise to say the least.

Lord the actress was a well build young lady indeed beside having a young child in the scene with her.

I assume however you are claiming that you would not remember such an odd scene in such a movie for some reason.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 06:01 pm
Some lessons to be learn here have your computer as a matter of course protected by such programs as truecrypt found at truecrypt.org and never never talk to the cops but just ask for a lawyer.

If the gentleman here had done both he would had very likely walk free as the word and the opinion of a fellow passenger of what he was viewing on the plane would not had at all likely to had reach the level of allowing an arrest.

Not even sure it would had allow for a warrant to seized and search his computer even if it was no protected by encryption.

Bet a large amount of money when he was ask by the cops if they could search his computer without a warrant the fool even agree to that!!!!!

So many people talk and agree themselves into nice long prison sentences.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 06:36 pm
Oh before I hear comments like I have nothing on my computer that is illegal and or would cause me problems and I would always talk to the cops let me point out there are thousands of laws on the books and add to that ten of thousands of government regulations with the force of law.

Kind of hard to always judge when and if you are breaking some law or regulation.

An example that come to mind is if you had downloaded a free program such as DVD decrypt in order to allow you to placed your legally own DVD movies on your hard drive you are now a federal felony for having such a tool that can break copy protection.

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BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 06:56 pm
@shewolfnm,
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If someone is suspected of something like that in a public place, there is little time for someone to clear their computer of any traces of evidence before it is removed from them.

Even a simple history delete will NOT get rid of all traces of what you were viewing. Nor will deleting all content on your memory disk or hard drive.

There are free programs for simple searching that let you " disk dig" and retrieve any information EVER saved on a disk in a certain amount of time no matter how it was deleted or reformatted.

Having seeing people have things taken on an airplane, there is NO warning, and NO time .... they descend on you immediately . I can only imagine that is how this was done as well.


Closing the lid of a netbook or laptop and thereby having it go into shutdown is not all that time consuming and not all the king men or the FBI or even the NSA can do a thing with that computer if it is protected with a WDE program such as truecrypt.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sun 27 Nov, 2011 07:25 pm
According to Radar I have the right guy

Quote:
By Radar Staff

The man arrested after being discovered watching child pornography on a Delta flight from Utah to Boston Saturday is a high profile college professor, married with two children, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.

Dr. Grant D. Smith was arrested by Massachusetts State Troopers after the flight landed at Boston Logan Airport. He's been charged with being in the possession of child pornography.

He's yet to make bail, and a law enforcement official told RadarOnline.com he may face additional charges when he's arraigned Monday.

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Dr. Grant is an accomplished science professor at the University of Utah. His official University biography lists his research interests as "Soft Condensed Matter" and "Ionic and Electrolytic Liquids." He has numerous published articles in academic journals.

He's the father of two, married but, according to his Facebook page, separated from his wife earlier this year.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/11/utah-man-arrested-porn-plane-married-with-children-college-professor

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BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 07:26 pm
Quote:
Officials said Smith was interviewed by troopers when the flight landed in Boston at 4:12 p.m. where sources said he consented to a search of his computer and cell phone. What we have is the equivalent of a confession,” said Murphy.


“Someone who not only sees it but is smart enough to take a picture of it is very solid evidence. Reporting it immediately to law enforcement, law enforcement then being able to do their own immediate investigation -- that’s a very strong case -- at least at this point.”
Read more: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/29863537/detail.html#ixzz1exUkFEJl

He consented to the search of his computer.......FOOL Also the passenger who reported him also took a cell phone picture of the idiot viewing the material on the screen of his laptop.

Talk about being careless.

It would still be an interesting case if all they had was the cell phone picture of the screen of the computer IE if his laptop could not be accessed and he had not talk to the cops.
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Ticomaya
 
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Sun 27 Nov, 2011 07:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
"Child Porn" means nothing to me other that the state did not like what he was watching...explain it or show me what it was, and then I could talk about whether this is a bad guy or not. Right now we have no way to know.

Right ... you have no way to know, and yet you've already proclaimed him innocent.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 07:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
It almost sounds like he WANTED
to be arrested, if he were doing so in the open as alleged.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 08:00 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

It almost sounds like he WANTED
to be arrested, if he were doing so in the open as alleged.
This is a smart guy, so it almost has to be something that crazy. I am going with he was watching home movies of his daughter and never dreamed that there was anything for the passengers and the state to object about....I think that we will eventually know. So far I have not been able to figure out how old his kids are.
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 08:05 pm
@Ticomaya,
Quote:
Right ... you have no way to know, and yet you've already proclaimed him innocent.
Where? I said the it was Highly. Highly Unlikely that he was looking at real child porn, but that is not bleaching him. We are conditioned the feel when state charges someone with having "child porn" or of doing a "rape" that we are looking at a monster...I dont do that, some pretty minor offenses get labeled "child porn" and rape, I am holding out for more information about exactly what it was he was looking at.
Ticomaya
 
  3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2011 08:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Quote:
Right ... you have no way to know, and yet you've already proclaimed him innocent.
Where? I said the it was Highly. Highly Unlikely that he was looking at real child porn, but that is not bleaching him. We are conditioned the feel when state charges someone with having "child porn" or of doing a "rape" that we are looking at a monster...I dont do that, some pretty minor offenses get labeled "child porn" and rape, I am holding out for more information about exactly what it was he was looking at.

You assured us of his innocence in your first post:

In the first post in this thread, hawkeye10 wrote:
Trust me, this is going to be yet another case of a man being ruined because he had pics of his kids on his computer that the state does not approve of, or near that. In this case it was a video however.
 

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