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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Thu 14 Jun, 2012 03:36 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
I agree, just noting that the commie world actually does have worse to offer.
Is that information helpful to our historical analysis,
applying to the misadventures of Elian ?
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parados
 
  2  
Thu 14 Jun, 2012 04:16 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:



Actually, I was a child, once.
I remain a child emeritus.


Clearly you are still a child David. You demand that others believe things that aren't real.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Thu 14 Jun, 2012 06:07 pm
@parados,

OmSigDAVID wrote:



Actually, I was a child, once.
I remain a child emeritus.

parados wrote:
Clearly you are still a child David.
I am timeless, Mr. Parados.





David
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BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 14 Jun, 2012 07:56 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
He is NOT a fit parent: he is a COMMUNIST!
That is much worse than a mere drunk or a dope addict.


BULLSHIT and I mean BULLSHIT there are hundreds of millions of communists in the world that are every bit as good parents as any member in good standing of the GOP and who have every right in the world to raised their own children.

One thing had nothing to do with the other.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Thu 14 Jun, 2012 11:39 pm
@BillRM,
DAVID wrote:
He is NOT a fit parent: he is a COMMUNIST!
That is much worse than a mere drunk or a dope addict.


BillRM wrote:
BULLSHIT and I mean BULLSHIT there are hundreds of millions of communists in the world
that are every bit as good parents as any member in good standing of the GOP and who
have every right in the world to raised their own children.
Despite your impassioned support of communist slavery for 1OO, OOO, OOOs of unfortunates,
the victims, the kids, r morally within their rights to make a break for it,
and let their commie parents be damned!

I can understand
how authoritarians like liberals
naturally take sides with authoritarianism, in this case,
that children are the property of their parents, like dogs or fish in the pond.





David
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 02:17 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Sorry David but off hand I can not think of a more fundamental right then to raised your own children and anyone who wish to take that right away from any group due to political outlooks and believes of that group is dead wrong.

Once you try to go down that path there is no end to it until the human race had destroy itself in wars or only one narrow and I mean narrow outlook on life remain.

You are kind of reminding me of programs to take away the children of native Americans and raised them far away from their tribes into a more European cultural outlook and this craziness was going on in Canada a late as the 1960s!!!!!

Being an atheist it would be nice for myself if any group that religiously indoctrinated their children before the age of reason is reach should not be able to raised their children either.

Now also how can a "good" Christian allow any other groups to raised their children not to believe in Jesus or how can any good Muslim allow any group to raised their children not to believe in Mohammed as the prophet of God and so on?





OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 04:55 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Sorry David but off hand I can not think
of a more fundamental right than to raise your own children
OK, here it IS:
the right of the kid HIMSELF to veto parental abuse.
No drunk nor drug addict is lower than a commie or nazi slaver.
I wish that the 7 year old Noah had grabbed up a weapon
and killed his mother, Andrea Yates, b4 she drowned the whole family in the bathtub,
or Susan Smith's children had successfully defeated their mother b4 she drowned THEM,
but presumably u will support the "FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT" to kill their children.
That is kinder than subjecting them to decades of communist slavery.
The kid belongs to HIMSELF; he is not his father 's property.
What we did to Elian was sadistic perversity,
and we took pictures of him, too, being degraded,
raped out of his rightful freedom by American troops.
I guess that Firefly is mad about that.
Elian is being re-victimized, each time that anyone looks at that picture.



BillRM wrote:
and anyone who wish to take that right away from any group due to political outlooks and believes of that group is dead wrong.

Once you try to go down that path there is no end to it until the human race has destroyed itself in wars
or only one narrow and I mean narrow outlook on life remains.
That already happened. We WON the Third World War on Christmas of 1991.




BillRM wrote:
You are kind of reminding me of programs to take away the children of native Americans and raise them far away from their tribes into a more European cultural outlook and this craziness was going on in Canada as late as the 1960s!!!!!
What thay do in Canadia is none of my business.



BillRM wrote:
Being an atheist it would be nice for myself if any group that religiously indoctrinated their children
before the age of reason is reach should not be able to raised their children either.

Now also how can a "good" Christian allow any other groups to raised their children not to believe in Jesus
The rules of Christianity do not require interfering with children.





BillRM wrote:
or how can any good Muslim allow any group to raise their children
not to believe in Mohammed as the prophet of God and so on?
Chances r that u r right
about the Moslems. I 'm no expert on that.
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 05:34 am
@OmSigDAVID,
My my you wish to interfere with the right of a foreign national to raise his foreign national child however Canada is no concern of your!!!!!

Sorry the US did the same thing toward the Indians children only we stopped before Canada did by thirty or forty years or so.

Next the Muslims took Christians children away from their families raising them and turning them into a powerful "slave" army.

Sorry it was not right when we did it to the Indians and it was not right when the Muslims did it to the Christians and it would not had been right to keep that child from his family.
gungasnake
 
  0  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 06:12 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Sorry David but off hand I can not think of a more fundamental right then to raised your own children and anyone who wish to take that right away from any group due to political outlooks and believes of that group is dead wrong....


Let me know if this would change anything...

Suppose for a moment that the family were North Korean rather than Cuban and the kid's mother had died getting him out of North Korea, the father was demanding his return, and Janet Reno had forcibly taken the kid from relatives on a Pacific US military base with the intention of returning him to North Korea (and she was capable of doing that). Would that present any problems?
parados
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 07:52 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
OK, here it IS:
the right of the kid HIMSELF to veto parental abuse.
No drunk nor drug addict is lower than a commie or nazi slaver.

And you can barely function at the level of a 3 year old David. I have to wonder what your ability is that makes you a member of Mensa. It certainly isn't an ability to use complex thought. Do you have great spacial skills? We know it isn't your language or math skills.
DrewDad
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 08:11 am
@gungasnake,
I am highly entertained by the fact that on the one hand you accuse everyone in the Clinton administration of being part of the biggest criminal conspiracy ever, and then you turn around and complain when someone in his administration follows the law.

It's almost as if you're complaining just because they're Democrats, and you think that anything they do must be wrong.
gungasnake
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 10:32 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Next the Muslims took Christians children away from their families raising them and turning them into a powerful "slave" army.


This one was a hard case at least in theory. You're right that you don't just take children away from parents over the nature of their governments, that would have meant the West taking all Russian children born between 1921 or whatever it was and around 1989. By the same token however, when a mother sacrifices her own life getting a child out of one of the world's political hellholes, that has to count for something as well and in the KKKlintler/Reno scheme of things, it didn't. That's a problem.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 10:41 am
@gungasnake,
Sorry but I do not wish us to be in the position when an American child is taken to a foreign country and the American parent wish the child return that the foreign country government can point out how we do not return foreign children to their parents if we do not happen to like the country in question.

An no the issue would not change if it North Korea instead of Cuba.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 12:49 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:
I am highly entertained by the fact that on the one hand you accuse everyone in the Clinton administration of being part of the biggest criminal conspiracy ever, and then you turn around and complain when someone in his administration follows the law.
As I remember it from the time,
Janet Reno had discretion under the law to grant Elian refugee status.
Legally, the choice was hers.
She coud accept him or reject him.

She decided that, because of his age,
he shud live out the rest of his life in slavery,
whereas older Cubans on the same liferaft coud remain here in freedom.
The penalty for being young was worse than life in prison;
it was life in slavery, and that happened.

If I 'd had that jurisdiction,
I 'd simply have granted political refugee status to Elian,
and allowed him his own freedom of choice, on a laissez faire basis.

As an American, I feel very guilty
for what Janet Reno did to Elian.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 01:35 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Sorry but I do not wish us to be in the position when an American child
is taken to a foreign country and the American parent wish the child
return that the foreign country government can point out how we do
not return foreign children to their parents if we do not happen to like the country in question.

An no the issue would not change if it North Korea instead of Cuba.
Bill, u liberally twist & distort the pro-freedom position.
It is NOT that we shud substitute the will of the American government
for the immigrant in question (as u falsely imply);
RATHER, the issue is whether we shud simply take a laissez faire attitude
and let the refugee from communism make up his OWN mind,
regardless of what anyone else thinks, and let HIS personal decision prevail,
so that he will stay or go as he freely chooses, regardless of his age.

The natural rights of the refugee from communist slavery
shud OUTRANK any deference to the wishes of his parents.
Human beings cannot be property; its not as if the father's dog got away.

If (at Elian's age) Mackenzie Phillips were passionately refusing
to accept
any cocaine or heroin that was being pushed on her by John Phillips,
woud BillRM be yelling:
"be a good girl and DO what your father wants" ?
As an American, as a freedom-loving conservative, I dissent from such obsequience.





David
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 02:00 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
As I remember it from the time,
Janet Reno had discretion under the law to grant Elian refugee status.
Legally, the choice was hers.
She coud accept him or reject him.


Sorry it not that simple as the father would still had been free to demand of the US courts custody of his child and under no repeat no theory of law can that custody had been denial him in favor of distant relations with all kind of problems.

So refugee statue or not Elian would have been getting on a flight to Cuba the only thing that the Fed government could had done would be to delay that day by a few months.
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 02:07 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
shud simply take a laissez faire attitude
and let the refugee from communism make up his OWN mind,
regardless of what anyone else thinks,


Sorry we do not allow a 5 or 6 years olds the rights or bear the responsibitity for any such life changing decisions that what parents and legal guardians are for.

Now if the child had been older say in his mid teens and had express the wish to remain in this country you might had more grounds to stand on.
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parados
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 02:23 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
She decided that, because of his age,
he shud live out the rest of his life in slavery,

Live the rest of his life in slavery?

David,
It's classified but but I have it on good authority that Elian actually went back as a US agent controlled by the CIA. He will live as a sleeper agent in Cuba until activated by President Hillary at which time he will overthrow the communist government and allow everyone to arm themselves with as many guns as they want.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 02:25 pm
@parados,
Quote:
OK, here it IS:
the right of the kid HIMSELF to veto parental abuse.
No drunk nor drug addict is lower than a commie or nazi slaver.
parados wrote:
And you can barely function at the level of a 3 year old David.
Y do u trouble yourself to post such material, Mr. Parados?
I have retired from a career as a successful trial attorney
and as a holder of public office for the State of NY for 12 years. I had no problems,
such as u attribute to me.



parados wrote:
I have to wonder what your ability is that makes you a member of Mensa.
It certainly isn't an ability to use complex thought. Do you have great spacial skills?
We know it isn't your language or math skills.
Your posts r (relatively) densely populated with references to Mensa.
Thay suggest, not obsession, but perhaps infatuation with Mensa; it has its allure.
This year, we 'll be in Reno for our Annual Gathering.
http://www.ag2012.us.mensa.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Program10&Template=/customsource/ag2012/program_public.cfm
It begins on the 4th of July, goes thru the 8th.
I am scheduled to arrive on July 3rd, booked in the Circus, Circus Hotel. Perhaps u 'll attend the convention.





David
parados
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jun, 2012 02:37 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

OK, here it IS:
the right of the kid HIMSELF to veto parental abuse.
No drunk nor drug addict is lower than a commie or nazi slaver.
.[/quote]
Your statement clearly shows you have that problem David.
 

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