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OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 14 Jun, 2012 01:25 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
The kid's mother died getting him out of that hellhole...
BillRM wrote:
The mother die trying to go with her boyfriend to the US
and risking her son life by taking him along.
That was a very ADMIRABLE, heroic thing to do,
to rescue him from a life in communist slavery!!!
Elian cud never thank his mom enuf!!!



BillRM wrote:
In any case if the situation had been reversed
and the mother had taken the child on a dangerous trip to Cuba
Putting a person INTO slavery,
is not the equivalent of getting him OUT of slavery.


BillRM wrote:
from the US without the knowledge or permission of the father
The father was a communist, and therefore, unfit; a pervert,
1OOO times worse than if he were merely a drunk or a dope addict.


BillRM wrote:
and having died doing so and the Cuban government would had then even dream of placing the child in a home of a worthless drunk and refused to give the child back you would had been yelling for blood.

Every parent had the right to raise his or her child where they care to do so period and the surviving parent along with both sets of grandparents in this case wish him return to Cuba.
Elian revoked any such right,
by choosing to remain in freedom with his family in Florida.
Living as a slave, as he is now, is worse than being dead.
Elian is NOT the property of his commie father. People cannot be property.

Even the victims of Jerry Sandusky,
are better off than communist slaves.
BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 14 Jun, 2012 04:25 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Sorry we are not going to agree however in my opinion the US government did the correct and only moral thing possible.

We do not hold kids away from their parents because we do not agree with the the government that the parents happen to live under and support.

Beside the side issue that I would not have given those clowns in Miami a pet to raise and take care of must less alone a child.
gungasnake
 
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Thu 14 Jun, 2012 05:31 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't know of anything to recommend Castro's regime but I've not heard anybody say it was the worst or close to the worst the commie world had to offer either. The worst, near as I could tell, included the regimes in Albania, Romania, North Korea, and there might have been one or two others that bad after WW-II or you might have viewed Russia as that bad under Stalin particularly if you lived in the Ukraine.

In Cuba as I hear it from Cubans, the people who produced anything or did any useful work simply became a permanent voting minority, which is precisely the thing we're in danger of now.
parados
 
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Thu 14 Jun, 2012 07:19 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Well David. If you want to argue that using a 4 year old for sex and taking pictures of them is the same thing as giving a 13 year old a gun then I think you have other problems that I can't help you with.

Your constant confusion of guns and sex is a little disconcerting to me. You should seek professional help.
gungasnake
 
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Thu 14 Jun, 2012 07:23 am
Almost forgot the Khmer Rouge but I don't really know if you'd mark that one up to communism or what exactly.
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parados
 
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Thu 14 Jun, 2012 07:23 am
@gungasnake,
It's the GOP that is the party of "law and order" and promotes that we lock everyone up. The Democrats are the ones that want to coddle criminals and let them out because they are victims of a poor childhood.

You just live in a world that doesn't exist, don't you gunga. It's bizzaro world where you absolve yourself of all responsibility and blame the democrats for everything.
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parados
 
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Thu 14 Jun, 2012 07:24 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/04/06/article-1263883-00285E4200000258-256_468x338.jpg

Yet another child (Elian Gonzales) being rescued by one of Janet Reno's henchmen.

Actually, that would be the deportation of illegal aliens Gunga. Or are you now for illegal aliens staying in the country?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 14 Jun, 2012 07:29 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Sorry we are not going to agree however in my opinion the US
government did the correct and only moral thing possible.
That 's ez for U to say; U don 't have to live the rest of your life in slavery.

If Ann Frank had escaped from her nazi concentration camp,
I woud NOT have made her go back, on account of her AGE.
If a boy Elian 's age got loose from that nazi concentration camp,
I 'd respect HIS freedom, also.




BillRM wrote:
We do not hold kids away from their parents
because we do not agree with the the government
that the parents happen to live under and support.
Holding Elian away, was never the point.
If he had said: "I wanna live in communist slavery"
then we shud have not stood in his way.

We merely shud have recognized his autonomy
to live in freedom, if he said that he wanted to,
as in fact, HE DID. Instead, we treated him
as if he were his commie father 's property,
as if the family dog had gotten away,
instead of a human being making good his escape from slavery.
That was a disgrace, and it was unconscionable.
We treat American murderers better than we treated Elian,
because of his age. We shud have let him stay or go
wherever he wanted to, without interference from government.


BillRM wrote:
Beside the side issue that I would not have given
those clowns in Miami a pet to raise and take care of must less alone a child.
I dissent from your rude denunciation of those fine people.
I hold them in admiration and thay have my respect, as fine, decent people.

At least thay TRIED to save Elian.
Thay coud have told him to go to hell
(which is where Janet Reno sent him),
but thay did their best. May many fine Blessings be upon them!

I called and conferred with legal counsel in Florida
and sent them some (obviously unsuccessful) legal research,
in support of the effort to preserve Elian 's personal freedom.
I wish that I 'd have been able to do better.

I cared about Elian; I did not give a damn about his pervert father.
It is very immoral and it is insulting
to consider a boy to be the property of his father.
The 13th Amendment tells us something about that.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 14 Jun, 2012 07:39 am
@parados,
Nonsense!
He was a refugee from communist slavery,
appealing to our mercy, good will and decency.
Sadly, he did it under the Clinton Administration.
U see how well that turned out.
Note that other refugees were allowed to remain here,
merely upon the basis of their age. He 'd have been OK, if only his mom had not drowned.





David
parados
 
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Thu 14 Jun, 2012 07:46 am
@OmSigDAVID,
We don't live in the 1950's David.
But it appears you do. You never grew up after you got that first gun, did you?
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 14 Jun, 2012 07:54 am
Quote:
People who download child abuse images pose a risk of committing sex attacks on children, says a specialist police child protection unit.

The Child Exploitation and Online Protection (Ceop) centre wants police to prioritise those caught with such images, who have access to children.

Its report said internet images are becoming more extreme and sadistic.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18428289
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Thu 14 Jun, 2012 07:56 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
Well David. If you want to argue that using a 4 year old for sex and taking pictures of them
is the same thing as giving a 13 year old a gun [He was age 5, when he began competitive gunnery.]
I said NOTHING of the kind (and I suspect u of insincere, facetious humor)

I hope u saw the show. He was better and faster than I ever was.



parados wrote:
then I think you have other problems that I can't help you with.

Your constant confusion of guns and sex is a little disconcerting to me.
I have NEVER associated guns with sex.
As a true liberal, u distort the facts.



parados wrote:
You should seek professional help.
The confusion is yours.
I simply argue for MAXIMUM practicable freedom for EVERYONE, with as little age discrimination as possible.

That shud be ez to understand; right ?





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Thu 14 Jun, 2012 07:59 am
@gungasnake,
Elian 's life of slavery in the land of his father
is not rendered more comfortable if the slaves of North Korea have it worse.
BillRM
 
  0  
Thu 14 Jun, 2012 09:03 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Sorry but no court and no administration could justify under any theory of law keeping a fit parent and a child apart for political reasons.

To do so would make us far worst then the Cuban government you do not care for David.

In any case he would had been return under any US government if perhaps not as soon as it did happen under the Clinton administration.

Love to see us being able to complain about US citizens children being held in foreign countries if we has gone with the crazy right wing Cubans in Miami and kept a non-US citizen child from returning to his family including all four grandparents as well as his surviving parent.





parados
 
  0  
Thu 14 Jun, 2012 09:51 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:





parados wrote:
You should seek professional help.
The confusion is yours.
I simply argue for MAXIMUM practicable freedom for EVERYONE, with as little age discrimination as possible.

That shud be ez to understand; right ?





David

It shows a complete lack of understanding of how the world works. But then no one accused you of being intelligent in spite of your Mensa claim.
gungasnake
 
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Thu 14 Jun, 2012 10:48 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I agree, just noting that the commie world actually does have worse to offer.

That's before you even get to the Gaea-worship world of course. No self-respecting commie would even associate with those lunatics.
gungasnake
 
  0  
Thu 14 Jun, 2012 10:50 am
@izzythepush,
Figured out a way to eat non-kibbled food without knives yet, Poop??
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izzythepush
 
  0  
Thu 14 Jun, 2012 11:01 am
You can do all sorts of things with opposable thumbs Gunga. Not that you'd know.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 14 Jun, 2012 03:05 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Sorry but no court and no administration could justify under

any theory of law
EMANCIPATION from communist slavery!



BillRM wrote:
keeping a fit parent
He is NOT a fit parent: he is a COMMUNIST!
That is much worse than a mere drunk or a dope addict.



BillRM wrote:
and a child apart for political reasons.
Bill, if a boy escapes from a burning house,
and if his family is inside that house,
and if his father wants him to return BACK into the fire,
and he alleges that the boy is his property, the same as his dog,
the boy shud NOT be forced back into the flames against his will.
The hell of a nazi or commie country is not better than a burning house.
Do u see the point that I am bringing out, Bill ?





BillRM wrote:
To do so would make us far worse
then the Cuban government you do not care for David.
It shocks me
that u have so benign an opinion of slavery, Bill.




BillRM wrote:
In any case he would had been return under any US government
if perhaps not as soon as it did happen under the Clinton administration.
There is no reason to believe that.
There was the case of another boy (only slightly older, aged 12)
who refused to return to commie hell,
when his disgruntled father (a refugee) returned. He was luckier.
His case was repeatedly adjourned until eventually he reached age 18.
He did not descend into slavery. He lives in freedom.
That counts for a lot.

ALL that Elian needed was a decent Attorney General.
Better justice woud have been for Janet Reno
to live out HER life in slavery and let Elian live his life in freedom.




BillRM wrote:
Love to see us being able to complain about US citizens children being held
in foreign countries if we has gone with the crazy right wing Cubans in Miami
and kept a non-US citizen child from returning to his family including all
four grandparents as well as his surviving parent.
Again, as a liberal, u distort my position.
I did not advocate that Elian be kept from returning
to his family, IF that had been what he wanted to do.
I argued that we NOT interfere with his freedom of choice.
I recommended that we simply not interfere with his wishes,
as indeed Janet Reno DID with that guy with his MP5 pointed at the freedom-lovers, including Elian.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 14 Jun, 2012 03:29 pm
@parados,
OmSigDAVID wrote:





parados wrote:
You should seek professional help.
The confusion is yours.
I simply argue for MAXIMUM practicable freedom for EVERYONE, with as little age discrimination as possible.

That shud be ez to understand; right ?





David
parados wrote:
It shows a complete lack of understanding of how the world works.
Understand ing something is not the same as OPPOSING it.

Actually, I was a child, once.
I remain a child emeritus.
The values that I had then, I continue to support NOW.

I remain loyal to David Originalism!
( Can u say as much, or have u betrayed your values ? )





David
 

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