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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
gungasnake
 
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Tue 12 Jun, 2012 10:00 pm
One other thing I notice... Penn State's football program is deader than dead, whether they know it just yet or not. The treatment their players are gonna get at away games is gonna be so brutal that most of them won't stick around more than half of the coming season and the school may ultimately have to change its name altogether rather than having students have to deal with questions about the PSU on jackets standing for Perv State University.

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firefly
 
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Tue 12 Jun, 2012 10:05 pm
@gungasnake,
Meanwhile, it's still Congress and the state legislatures that determine the laws regarding child pornography.

These are the laws that people want.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:30 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Meanwhile, it's still Congress and the state legislatures that determine the laws regarding child pornography.

These are the laws that people want.


People can be fickle....the state should remember that it is the state which is blamed for drug laws in general and crack/pot laws in particular....the fact that the mob at the time cried for them is forgotten. The guardians of the justice system will be blamed every time justice is not delivered, trying to divert responsibility to the citizens looks like and will be taken as a cop-out.
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BillRM
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 04:30 am
@firefly,
Quote:
These are the laws that people want.


Lot of laws that people had desire in the history of this country that had proven to be unwise to say the least.

And to have laws that in many cases have more severe punishments for having a picture of a misdeed then doing the misdeed in the first place is crazy on it face no matter what the public opinion at the moment happen to be.

With the majority of the sitting Federal judges by polls agreeing with me not you Firefly in that regard.
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gungasnake
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 05:14 am
@firefly,
Quote:
These are the laws that people want....


People wanted segregation... so what??
gungasnake
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 05:19 am
Another way to look at it, the people who CREATE child porn ARE committing crimes, find them, arrest them, put them in prison, sure, no problem with that at all. But the idea that just having something on a person's computer could get the person arrested is wrong, period, with the possible exception of the something being workable plans for a cheap hydrogen bomb.
BillRM
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 06:19 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
People wanted segregation... so what??


An slavery before that!
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BillRM
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 06:26 am
@gungasnake,
You know gungasnake, I am uncomfortable with outlawing computers files of any type myself however CP showing the real rape of children and infants are of such a nature I can see outlawing such.

However going crazy with the levels of punishments for having such materials is counter produced in many many ways.

Beside the side issues such as of declaring sexual pictures willingly share between young lovers as CP.
gungasnake
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 06:44 am
@BillRM,
One problem is, what's next? Consider this:



That one shows tens of thousands of children being killed, which I still assume is a bit more traumatic than being abused... when do you or I end up in prison for having a copy of that on one of our computers?

Somebody who makes a habit of deliberately keeping cp on his computer will soon enough find himself being ostracized by polite society and suffering other penalties for it and in 1957 crimes against children were all but unknown in the US without anybody having to be locked up for thinking about it or having pictures in their possession. This is another classic case of the cure being worse than the disease. It's like the thing Victor Borge used to say about having an uncle who'd invented the cure for which there was no disease, and who caught the cure and died.
BillRM
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 07:18 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
in 1957 crimes against children were all but unknown in the US without anybody having to be locked up for thinking about it or having pictures in their possession.


Sadly crimes against children in the 1950s was going on but for the most part behind close doors inside of families.

A family across the street from my childhood home, whom children I had played with, had a father in it that was sexually molesting all three of his daughters.

It never came out and the only way I found out about the goings on is when I met up with one of the daughters when we was both adults and she unburden herself to me.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 08:13 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Somebody who makes a habit of deliberately keeping cp on his computer will soon enough find himself being ostracized by polite society and suffering other penalties for it and in 1957 crimes against children were all but unknown in the US without anybody having to be locked up for thinking about it or having pictures in their possession. This is another classic case of the cure being worse than the disease. It's like the thing Victor Borge used to say about having an uncle who'd invented the cure for which there was no disease, and who caught the cure and died.
You should educate yourself yourself, gunga. Any good library will help you!
See for instance:
- Fass, Paula S. 1997. Kidnapped: Child Abduction in America. New York: Oxford University Press.
- Freedman, E. B. 1987. "'Uncontrolled Desires.' The Response to the Sexual Psychopath 1920–1960." Journal of American History (June): 83–106.
- Jenkins, Phillip. 1998. Moral Panic: Changing Concepts of the Child Molester in Modern America. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press.
- Kincaid, James R. 1998. Erotic Innocence: The Culture of Child Molesting. Durham, NC: Duke University Press.
gungasnake
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 08:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I don't require any sort of libtard indoctrination for understanding the real world around me.

In 1957 ALL children walked to school and back, often to the tune of two or three miles one way every single day, and nobody viewed that as putting any child in danger of any sort; compare that to the long lines of people dropping kids off and picking them up at schools today.

In 1957 if some government agent had announced that henceforth all children would be required to be driven to and from school on a daily basis, that would have been the end of the human race right there, people would have simply stopped having children on that day.
Sturgis
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 08:43 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
In 1957 ALL children walked to school and back,

no they did not all walk to and from school. There were those who rode on the school bus.
Here we even have a license plate for one in the state of Louisiana.

http://www.louisiana101.com/license_plates_1957_school_bus.jpg

School bus service existed in places like Parker Kansas as far back as 1938
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kspchs/prhs.htm

Or, are you saying the bus just ran along side on the road as the children walked through the snow drifts or pouring rain?

Sure there were those who walked, there were also those who took the school bus and in places where there was public transit, there were those who took the city run bus or subway service. Still others back then were driven to school by their parent.

gungasnake
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 08:46 am
@Sturgis,
I never saw a school bus in 1957. For all intents and purposes, they may as well have not existed. And yes we walked through the snow and rain and thought nothing of it, human bodies are 80% water.
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MontereyJack
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 08:51 am
I rode the bus to school in 1957. So did every other kid on my side of town. Big sprawling town. One school. On the other side of town. They'd already been using buses since at least WWII. After school there'd be a lineup of six or eight buses, maybe more (I don't remember counting), all servicing different routes. You must have been just as oblivious then as you are now, gunga.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 08:57 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
These are the laws that people want....
gungasnake wrote:
People wanted segregation... so what??
Thay still DO.
Blacks and whites still self-segregate, in uncontrolled environments,
e.g. cafeterias. So what ??
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 09:04 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
I don't require any sort of libtard indoctrination for understanding the real world around me.

In 1957 ALL children walked to school and back, often to the tune of two or three miles one way every single day, and nobody viewed that as putting any child in danger of any sort; compare that to the long lines of people dropping kids off and picking them up at schools today.
Yeah, I noticed that too, some years ago,
when I was up in the morning; it was a strange sight to see.
I remember going to school each day ALONE, as did we all.

It has been suggested that in 1979,
the presumed murder of 6 year old Etan Patz changed it in NY.
He did not make it 3 blocks.
His family was in public relations of some kind n his case got a lot of press.
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gungasnake
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 09:15 am
Don't get me wrong, I did start seeing school buses for high school since that would have involved a one-way walk of five or six miles for many kids, but as a child I never saw a school bus and we're talking about children.

The basic point is that thought-crime laws do not contribute anything to childrens' safety and kids were generally safer in 57 than they are now despite the total lack of thought-crime laws in 57.

A person who was not living in the 50s cannot have any sort of a real conception of how free a country this was at that time. There were no laws to protect you from you in those days, no laws to protect Gaea from human civilization, no laws to protect snails or delta smelts or lizards from human infrastructure requirements, no laws to protect criminals from their victims.....
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 09:17 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

I don't require any sort of libtard indoctrination for understanding the real world around me.
Well, if you call data and testimonies "libtard indoctrination", it's fine with me.
Obviously, you are part of Knoebels Amusement Resort since the very beginning and weren't allowed to get down from your pedestal.
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MontereyJack
 
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Wed 13 Jun, 2012 09:26 am
I was living in the 50s. You're wrong, gunga Tell that story to anybody black and they'll kick your ass, metaphorically speaking (think hate crime laws). Priests were abusing altar boys then, just like today. It didn't come out until forty years later. Women were trapped in abusive marriages because they couldn't get divorces, and they and their kids were battered, raped, and killed. the stories didn't get told until twenty or thirty years later. That's why wer have some of the laws we have now. The internet didn't exist then, so it was much harder to amass huge quantities of porn and share them with the click of a button, like now, but porn and child porn existed. It's nice that you had such an insular childhood, gunga, but you just plain didn't know what was going on.
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