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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
firefly
 
  3  
Mon 11 Jun, 2012 11:32 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Matthew Allen with Homeland Security's local office says the operation targeted those exploiting children.

"Either physically exploiting them or victimizing them and exploiting them by trading child pornography which I think as we all know once it's introduced on the internet, it takes on a life of its own, and that victimization, exploitation goes on virtually forever," says Allen.
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/18742393/3-child-porn-peddlers-from-phoenix-arrested-in-nationwide-operation
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 11 Jun, 2012 11:45 am
@firefly,
Well I had yet to run into any study that show that countries that have more rational levels of punishments is having more problems with CP and once more I never stated not once that there should not be punishments for having CP except between consenting partners of couples who are old enough to consent to sexual intercourse.

In any case how about fitting the punishment to the degree of the crime as in the manner of merry old england had done?

In any case, so must as our throwing the way the keys level of punishments with no common sense allow seems not to be cutting the rate of CP what is next Firefly boiling people in oil on prime time TV?



firefly
 
  2  
Mon 11 Jun, 2012 02:55 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
In any case, so must as our throwing the way the keys level of punishments with no common sense

Is that statement supposed to make sense? Laughing

You surely don't expect your posts to be taken seriously when you can't even manage to be coherent.

You've already made those same points about the severity of sentences--over and over and over--continuing to repeat them for the next 100 or so pages simply confirms how obsessive and limited your thinking is.

The sentencing guidelines won't change until Congressional thinking on the issue changes. I'd suggest you write to your Congressional representatives, and voice your views, but I doubt they'd take your incoherent statements seriously--trying to decipher them takes too long.

People who don't violate the child pornography laws don't have to worry about receiving harsh sentences.
firefly
 
  2  
Mon 11 Jun, 2012 03:11 pm
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Alleged child porn distributor charged in US
By Samantha Henry
Associated Press
June 11, 2012

NEWARK, N.J.—A Ukrainian man has been charged in the most significant distribution ring of child pornography ever investigated in the United States, federal authorities in New Jersey said Monday.

The U.S. Attorney's office says Maksym Shynkarenko a 33-year-old from Kharkov, Ukraine, founded and operated a Ukraine-based child pornography website that had customers around the world and has resulted in 560 convictions throughout the U.S. alone.

Authorities extradited Shynkarenko from Thailand over the weekend, where he had been in custody since his 2009 arrest during a vacation to that country. Paul Fishman, the U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey, said Shynkarenko had been fighting extradition, which delayed the process.

Shynkarenko is charged in a 32-count indictment with child exploitation enterprise, advertising child pornography, transporting and shipping child pornography, and money laundering and other counts.

Much of the pornography that Shynkarenko allegedly dealt in depicted graphic sexual assaults and abuse of young children, in most cases by adults, Fishman said. His alleged network of websites were operational until 2008.

Prosecutors say Shynkarenko and two co-conspirators from the Ukraine and one from Russia advertised and operated numerous child porn websites and sold access to them to clients worldwide, including customers in New Jersey. They allegedly concealed the charges with innocuous business names, such as "Ad Soft," which served as fronts to conceal them from credit card companies.

Fishman says the ring's website operated under names including "Illegal.CP," "The Sick Child Room," and "Hottest Childporn Garden."

"According to the indictment, Maksym Shynkarenko profited from the unspeakable abuse of thousands of innocent children by selling access to their suffering through his website," Fishman said. "Distributors and consumers of child pornography create a market for sexual assaults on children, where the victimization of those children is refreshed with every download."

The case is being brought in New Jersey because agents with Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Homeland Security Investigations division first located the site "Illegal.CP" in October 2005 during an investigation of an individual from Long Branch. The agents signed up for the site undercover, purchasing a 20 day subscription for $79.99. The site warned users that it was "considered illegal in all countries," advising users to say that someone had stolen their credit card information and used it, if ever questioned by police.

In addition to the convictions of the 560 American consumers from 47 states, people have been convicted in other countries, federal authorities said. Canada is the only other country prosecutors would name.

Federal authorities says those convicted included teachers, clergy, law enforcement, lawyers, doctors, coaches and others who came in regular contact with minors.

Shynkarenko, wearing glasses, a close-cropped haircut, and green prison scrubs made his first appearance Monday afternoon in a Newark federal court. Assistant Public Defender Linda Foster was appointed to represent him. Although a Ukrainian interpreter was sworn in to assist him, Shynkarenko answered a judge's questions in English as to whether he understood his rights. He's scheduled for arraignment on Wednesday.

He could face up to life in prison if convicted on all counts.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/06/11/ukrainian_faces_child_porn_charges_in_nj/
BillRM
 
  0  
Mon 11 Jun, 2012 03:50 pm
@firefly,
Those comments coming from a joker who when push to the wall post cartoons!

Good try to get out of the corner using personal attacks but no cigar.

Oh, as far as people who do not need to worry about a law punishments being insane if they do not break the law could be use to justify any level of punishment for any crime up to the death sentence for having overdue library books, my crime of choice.

Next as a taxpayer, I am hurt every time some idiot is given decades in prison for a non-violence crime both due to the public cost of currently around 40,000 a year for imprisonment and the taking away the convicted citizen from paying taxes and thereby decreasing the tax base.

There is no justification for insane punishments under the legal code.

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BillRM
 
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Mon 11 Jun, 2012 04:14 pm
@firefly,
Maksym Shynkarenko is not the average low hanging fruit of someone setting at home using peer to peer network to download CP or the professor watching CP on a jet that was the starting subject of this thread.

Fitting the punishment to the crime would have Mr. Shynkarenko on the high end of punishment without too must argument from anyone.

Placing a 70 something man in prison with a sentence of 90 years however without any indication that he was anything but a collector that directly harm no one in his life is insane.

Then when the governor own clemency board recommended that 5 years would be all that was needed in that case the governor responded by removing the members of the board!!!!!!!!!

Those kinds of insanely long sentences are turning a large percent of our total prison systems into high cost nursing homes for the elderly.

firefly
 
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Mon 11 Jun, 2012 04:49 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

Placing a 70 something man in prison with a sentence of 90 years however without any indication that he was anything but a collector that directly harm no one in his life is insane.

You just don't get it do you? "Collecting" child pornography is not a victimless crime--the children in those images are being sexually exploited by that "collector". No wonder you can't understand why the sentences are harsh--you don't understand the crime.

I don't care how old that man is--he's old enough to understand he was breaking the law and he's old enough to understand how he contributed to the continuing sexual abuse and sexual exploitation of children by his seeking out and possessing those images of child sexual abuse. And you're old enough to understand that too.

Sorry, people don't get a pass on violating child pornography laws because they are elderly.
This one is 81--and is also a convicted pedophile.
Quote:

An 81-year-old man in Pittsboro has been arrested and accused of possessing child pornography.
June 11, 2012

John Foster, of 356 Marshall Road, was arrested last week. Officers discovered Foster possessed porn during a compliance check of registered sex offenders in Chatham County that was conducted at the end of May, according to the Chatham County Sheriff’s office. Foster was convicted in New Hampshire in 2006 for numerous sex offenses against a juvenile and placed on probation. He moved to Chatham County in 2009.

He has now been charged with felonious second degree sexual exploitation and felonious third degree sexual exploitation.

Foster has been placed in jail under a $175,000 secured bond. His court date is in Pittsboro district court on July 2.

The compliance checks in Chatham County were part of a statewide program that took place for one week in May called Operation Carolina Shield. Officers from the U.S. Marshall's Service worked with the North Carolina Department of Corrections Probation and Parole Division, and local sheriffs offices to visit the homes of all registered sex offenders in each county and to check the sex offenders’ compliance with state laws. Officers also ensured parolees were complying with the terms of their release, and arrested those who were not.

North Carolina residents can find information about sex offenders in their area on the N.C. Sex Offender Registry website, which is updated daily, and is a service of the N.C. Department of Justice.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/06/11/2129564/81-year-old-pittsboro-man-accused.html#storylink=cpy

Note the definition of the child pornography posession charge--sexual exploitation of a child.




BillRM
 
  0  
Mon 11 Jun, 2012 05:19 pm
@firefly,
Let see in some magical ways the victim of sexual abused know that Mr. X had download her/his images of being abuse and if the 70 year old man had not download those images she or he would have been less damage/harm in some manner?

Kind of remind me of quantum mechanics where if you watch an electron go through holes it will act as a particle but if you do not watch it it will act as a wave function and somehow go through two holes at the same time, in so must as the harm is somehow related to the watching even when the victim does not know one way or another who might or might not have that material.

In any case, I happen to agree his actions are distasteful and deserve punishments but not 90 years or even five years at age 70 for that matter.

Having pictures/video of a crime is not the same thing as doing the crime and we have gone so far that in many times the laws are so crazy the person would do less time if he or she had been the molester instead of the collector.

Oh keeping him lock up for the rest of his lifetime is not cost free to the society to say the least so the society and the victim should get some benefits that relate well to the cost and in this case it does not do so.

firefly
 
  3  
Mon 11 Jun, 2012 05:28 pm
@BillRM,
Dummy, it's the collectors of child pornography who create the demand for it's production and distribution. They directly participate in the sexual exploitation of children.

Perhaps you are too senile to understand the issue. You repeat the same things over and over and over--which certainly suggests senility on your part.

Better go encrypt your computer some more, the Feds seem quite good at finding these old geezers, like you.

BillRM
 
  0  
Mon 11 Jun, 2012 05:56 pm
@firefly,
Dummy right back to you as I had seen no study that indicate that any more then a tiny fraction of the collectors of CP paid a dime for it instead of just downloading it by way of peer to peer networks for free so no market/demand is being created in any normal sense of the term by most collectors.
BillRM
 
  0  
Mon 11 Jun, 2012 06:02 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Better go encrypt your computer some more, the Feds seem quite good at finding these old geezers, like you.


I would be laughing my head off it the Feds would seized my computers and memory devices and spend a few millions dollars removing or trying to removed my protections that if they do they so will in the end find zero materials that is illegal.

In fact I am always been disappointed that they never ask to look at my computer when I go through custom so I could tell them hell no and see how long they will play around with a very cheap netbook before returning it to me.
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firefly
 
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Mon 11 Jun, 2012 06:25 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Dummy right back to you as I had seen no study that indicate that any more then a tiny fraction of the collectors of CP paid a dime for it instead of just downloading it by way of peer to peer networks for free so no market/demand is being created in any normal sense of the term by most collectors

Without the demand for child pornography, it wouldn't be created and distributed. It's the collectors who keep the child pornography industry thriving, whether money is involved or not. They directly contribute to the continuing sexual abuse and sexual exploitation of children.

You really are senile. Talk to yourself, you seem to be the only one interested in what you have to say. And you don't even notice that you keep saying the same things over and over and over and over again. Perseveration is a hallmark of senility.
BillRM
 
  0  
Mon 11 Jun, 2012 11:00 pm
@firefly,
No or very little financial motivations so no thriving market in any normal sense of a market.

I guess you are saying that if there was no interested in such materials there would be no such material which is true but kind of a pointless statement.

Silly and irrational punishment seems strangely if anything to be increasing the interest in such materials instead of decreasing it.

No indication, in any case, that the US with it insane level of punishments have any less collectors then the rest of the world.

Hmm or are you saying that before the internet age and CP was not at all common that there was less children being molested then now?

That CP cause child molesting then just it being a secondary result of sexual interest in children thank to the internet that had always been there behind family doors?

I assume you are aware that almost all child molesting is still being done by friends and family members of the children not straners downloading CP on the net and it would go on if all CP would disappear tomorrow?



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firefly
 
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Tue 12 Jun, 2012 08:34 am
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New child pornography law affects local case

New restrictions meant to protect young victims
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By Laura McVicker
Columbian Staff Reporter
Monday, June 11, 2012

Viewing and distributing child pornography is a crime. But what if it's intended to defend a person at trial?

A new Washington law imposed June 7 forbids prosecutors and police officers from making copies of videos and images of children engaged in sexually explicit conduct. The copies were formerly given to attorneys to assist in their clients' defense, per court rules that prosecutors give up any evidence they intend to use at trial.

The new law mandates that defense attorneys or the defendants view the porn at a neutral facility or law enforcement office.

"The defendant still has his rights, but the victim still has protection," Clark County Senior Deputy Prosecutor Alan Harvey said in explaining the purpose of the legislation.

The law is already having local ripple effects. Prosecutors say the first defendant affected by the new law is Michael Scott Norris, a Vancouver man and former Bible camp counselor charged with sexually abusing a young brother and sister from 2003 to 2006. Norris' case in Clark County is pending. Norris' defense attorney says the new law slows the evidence-gathering process.

The child rape case stalled for years in a dispute over whether his attorney should have access to thousands of images of the two children, including nine sexually explicit videos. Clark County prosecutors wouldn't hand over the copies for fear they were violating a federal law prohibiting the dissemination of child pornography.

The Washington Court of Appeals in 2010, however, decided that prosecutors must hand over the pornography so Norris' attorney could prepare a defense. Norris' attorney, Clayton Spencer, received the pornographic images in February 2011.

But last week, after the law went into effect, Spencer was ordered to return the images to a judge.

In a separate court case, Norris, 45, has been sentenced in federal court to 25 years in prison for child pornography. However, he still must resolve his child rape charges in Clark County Superior Court. He has a review hearing June 18.

Proponents say the bill, signed by Gov. Chris Gregoire in March, is intended to protect children from re-victimization.

"Every instance of viewing images of child pornography represents a renewed violation of the privacy of the victims and a repetition of the abuse," according to House Bill 2177.

Harvey, who is handling the Norris case, said the new law has the same basis as the federal law, the Adam Walsh Child Protection Act, which has been in place since 2006.

"It allows and provides for the protection of victims of depictions of sexually explicit conduct, that they have the same protection as under the federal system," Harvey said.

Defense attorney Spencer, however, said the new law greatly slows the process of trial preparation. Relying on the schedule of a facility or a law enforcement officer before inspecting the images can turn weeks of preparation into months, he said.

The playing field is slanted because the prosecution has quicker access to the evidence, he said. "It enables the prosecution to hold the evidence at a remote distance," Spencer said. "It's not equal access being portrayed here."

The issue of a defendant's access to child pornography has cropped up in other parts of the state. Last year, a Pierce County man made national headlines when he was allowed to view child sex videos as he prepared for trial in his jail cell. The man, Weldon Marc Gilbert, was representing himself.

The law now states that a defendant representing himself must be supervised when he inspects the videos at a facility.

It is not yet clear how the new law will impact the outcome of Norris' case, if at all. Norris filed a statement that he agreed with the local prosecutors' version of the allegations. But last month, he filed a motion to withdraw his statement and requested a new judge hear his case.
http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/jun/11/child-porn-law-affects-local-case/
firefly
 
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Tue 12 Jun, 2012 08:39 am
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Cop-in-a-Box’ to help in fight against child pornography
By Naomi Creason,
Sentinel Reporter
Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Cumberland County District Attorney David Freed noted Monday that the local Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force has accomplished much in terms of getting sexual predators and child pornography consumers off the streets and into the court system.

The only problem is the manpower involved in such a task force.

Currently, the task force is made up of volunteers. The District Attorney’s Office works with other departments to take up investigations involving child pornography. Freed added that Lower Allen Township Police and East Pennsboro Township Police are two Cumberland County police departments that take particular interest in adding their expertise to cases, but they don’t have full-time employees trying to find and put away those who lure children or watch child pornography.

That’s where they hope the “Cop-in-a-Box” will come in handy.

The “Cop-in-a-Box” is a system that consists of a specially designed hardware and software package, accompanied by a monitor, printer and curriculum developed by the U.S. Department of Justice and ICAC.

Though Cumberland County will still need someone to man the hardware, the computer system itself should help track down more people and more easily pull together information to arrest and prosecute offenders, according to Freed.

“It will make our work simpler and easier, and that should increase our numbers (of arrests),” Freed said, adding that it will also help them expand more from targeting consumers of images to targeting “travelers,” or those who pretend to be teenagers to seek out young people.

http://cumberlink.com/news/local/cop-in-a-box-to-help-in-fight-against-child/article_130733cc-b444-11e1-a73b-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz1xadPwlQA
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gungasnake
 
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Tue 12 Jun, 2012 08:49 am
I'll say it again....

I have zero sympathy for pornographers in general and especially for anybody involved in child porn, but the cure in this case is insane. They could put ANYBODY in prison for this ****; how hard do you really think it would be to manufacture a virus which would place a hundred images on every computer it ever got into??
firefly
 
  2  
Tue 12 Jun, 2012 09:02 am
@gungasnake,
Do you know of any cases where someone was convicted for having images spread by a virus?

The government provides instructions for how to handle unintended downloads--and you can contact them for assistance.

They are clearly going after those who intentionally seek out and download child pornography. They are not looking to arrest just "ANYBODY"--they have enough to do just trying to apprehend the real culprits.

Most of those apprehended appear to confess to their intentional possession of child pornography.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Tue 12 Jun, 2012 09:19 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
New child pornography law affects local case

New restrictions meant to protect young victims
.
By Laura McVicker
Columbian Staff Reporter
Monday, June 11, 2012

"Every instance of viewing images of child pornography
represents a renewed violation of the privacy of the victims
and a repetition of the abuse," according to House Bill 2177.
This is irrational; it is insane.
American law shud be rational.

The abuse is in THE RAPES, or sodomies, not in photography.

According to the principles of this reasoning,
Abraham Zapruder repeated the abuses inflicted by Lee Harvey Oswald,
violating the privacy of John Kennedy and of Jackie.

If I get robbed in the street next week
and if a witness takes pictures of the event,
I will not have any rational claims qua invasion of privacy.

It just makes no sense and it is scary
when American law chooses to abandon reason.





David
firefly
 
  2  
Tue 12 Jun, 2012 09:52 am
@OmSigDAVID,
It is not an equivalent situation. On a public street you have no expectation of privacy.

BillRM
 
  0  
Tue 12 Jun, 2012 10:35 am
@firefly,
Quote:
New restrictions meant to protect young victims


Shameful interfered with the rights of defendants to have their computer experts free access to examine the hard drives images.

The courts are having real problems with such nonsense to say the least and rightfully so.

Yes computers experts being mostly male is going to get off on such materials or replaced it back on the internet.

Silly silly people when it come to CP.

Footnote hard drives images are whole copies/clones at the bits level of the drives in question it is not just the claims CP images.
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