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Can Obama Lose? Will he be a one-term president?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 05:48 am
@izzythepush,
Yes indeed using hell fire missiles are using minimum force inspite of the fact that some people will end up dead that no one would wish for such as children from time to time.

It is not the same as targeting a plane load full of women and children however!

An once more if the leadership of that area do not wish to run the risk of having their women and children in harm way all they need to do is end their support of people who are targeting our women and children.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 07:30 am
@H2O MAN,
Would you like to bet a few dollars on Obama not winning over any of the brain dead candidates that the GOP is putting forward?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 08:42 am


Those filthy stinking occutards that are camped out around the nation are not helping Obama's chances.

Liberal community organization at it's finest Laughing
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 08:43 am
@H2O MAN,
You mean the tea party?

No it can not be the tea party as there seems not to be one assault weapon being wave around or one racist sign in sight.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 08:44 am
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BxapFKRiDK4/TqiNua0jxjI/AAAAAAAADoQ/an3WMBiOqWM/s200/looney-left%255B1%255D.jpg
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 11:59 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

An once more if the leadership of that area do not wish to run the risk of having their women and children in harm way all they need to do is end their support of people who are targeting our women and children.


The tribal region of Pakistan is an area where everyone carries an AK47 as a matter of course. How much power do you think the tribal leaders actually have? What do you think would happen to them if they tried going up against a well financed, highly motivated group of international terrorists?

If by 'leadership' however, you mean the Pakistani military and intelligence services, then don't you think it's imprudent giving them millions of dollars of military aid?
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 12:34 pm
@izzythepush,
You got to be kidding me the tribial leadership of the area had a long history of being in bed with the foreign terrorists groups and the terrorists are a very small fraction of the total population of the area so if they wished to kick them out they had the overwhelming force to do so.

Nor could they operate without the support of the local population for more then a few weeks without being resupply by a willing local population.

They would had no need to call upon the Pakestin government or the US in order to do so however both militaries would offer any aid needed. Yes we would need to stand behind the Pakestin military with a "gun" to their heads but what the hell that is not a new situation.

The terrorists would either break camps or be kill in a few weeks.

So what other silly claims are you going to come up with?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 12:49 pm
@BillRM,
If you don't want to face facts then that's up to you. The drone strikes in Pakistan do more harm than good. Bin Laden wasn't taken out with a drone strike, maybe that tells you something about how reliable they really are.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 01:03 pm
@izzythepush,
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Bin Laden wasn't taken out with a drone strike, maybe that tells you something about how reliable they really are.


Given that he was not in the tribal area but living next door to the main Pakistan military college for many many years you are being silly once more.

We had however taken out many of the leadership of the terrorists groups who are base in the tribal areas with drone strikes and make the terrorists lives a very unenjoyable constant game of Russian roulette.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 01:11 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

We had however taken out many of the leadership of the terrorists groups who are base in the tribal areas with drone strikes and make the terrorists lives a very unenjoyable constant game of Russian roulette.


Russian roulette could describe what happened in Fort Hood. Do you think these drone attacks make another Fort Hood less likely?
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 01:35 pm
@izzythepush,
I do not think that the drone strikes had anything at all to do with the Fort Hood attack one way or another.

Once more you are reaching for the moon and beyond to try to justify not going after mass murderers and leaving them in peace to plot more attacks and more murders.

One thing I do know that the man who plotted to bring down a jet liner over Detroit on Christmas day in 2009 is not going to created any new plots thank to a drone strike.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 01:40 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

I do not think that the drone strikes had anything at all to do with the Fort Hood attack one way or another.


So why do you think Fort Hood happened? What motivated Major Nidal Malik Hasan to start shooting his fellow soldiers? Do you honestly think it was because he hated America's freedom?
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 02:03 pm
@izzythepush,
I think he was a mentally sick sob who was showing how sick he was for many months beforehand.

He hated himself and most of the human race and like so many others use the excuse of religion to lash out at others.

He was no difference then a man who bomb a park and then kill an abortion doctor, or the man who shoot up the Washington DC holocaust museum or the the man who went into a Jewish day care center and murder children or………….

Yes I know you hold him in higher regards as you seems to share some of his hate toward the US but he is just a mentally sick asshole/killer.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 02:12 pm
@izzythepush,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting#Possible_motivation

Michael Welner, M.D., a leading forensic psychiatrist with experience examining mass shooters, said that the shooting had elements common to both ideological and workplace mass shootings.[88] Welner, who believed the motivation was to create a "spectacle", said that a trauma care worker, even one afflicted with stress, would not be expected to be homicidal toward his patients unless his ideology trumped his Hippocratic oath–and this was borne out in his shouting "Allahu Akhbar" as he killed the unarmed.[88] An analyst of terror investigations, Carl Tobias, opined that the attack did not fit the profile of terrorism, and was more reminiscent of the Virginia Tech massacre.[89]

However, Michael Scheuer, the retired former head of the Bin Laden Issue Station, and former U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey[90] have called the event a terrorist attack,[89] as has terrorism expert Walid Phares.[91] Retired General Barry McCaffrey said on Anderson Cooper 360° that "it's starting to appear as if this was a domestic terrorist attack on fellow soldiers by a major in the Army who we educated for six years while he was giving off these vibes of disloyalty to his own force."[92]

Some of Hasan's former colleagues have said he performed substandard work and occasionally unnerved them by expressing fervent Islamic views and deep opposition to the U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.[93]

Brian Levin of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism wrote that the case sits at the crossroads of crime, terrorism and mental distress.[94] He compared the possible role of religion to the beliefs of Scott Roeder, a Christian who murdered Dr. George Tiller, who practiced abortion. Such offenders "often self-radicalize from a volatile mix of personal distress, psychological issues, and an ideology that can be sculpted to justify and explain their anti-social leanings."[94]
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 02:38 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Yes I know you hold him in higher regards as you seems to share some of his hate toward the US but he is just a mentally sick asshole/killer.


Now you're being pathetic.

From your own source

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Some of Hasan's former colleagues have said he performed substandard work and occasionally unnerved them by expressing fervent Islamic views and deep opposition to the U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan


Note the phrase 'deep opposition to the U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.' You can go on living in a fool's paradise where you think you can quash Islamic terrorism by bombing it into submission, but the rest of us have to live with the consequences of those actions. What happened in London on 7/7 springs to mind.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 02:45 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Note the phrase 'deep opposition to the U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.' You can go on living in a fool's paradise where you think you can quash Islamic terrorism by bombing it into submission, but the rest of us have to live with the consequences of those actions. What happened in London on 7/7 springs to mind.



Brian Levin of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism wrote that the case sits at the crossroads of crime, terrorism and mental distress.[94] He compared the possible role of religion to the beliefs of Scott Roeder, a Christian who murdered Dr. George Tiller, who practiced abortion. Such offenders "often self-radicalize from a volatile mix of personal distress, psychological issues, and an ideology that can be sculpted to justify and explain their anti-social leanings."[94]

I love people like you who think that if there was no abortions for example the people willing to kill abortion doctors would had then live a peaceful life and not find some other cause/excuse to kill their follow men.

Sorry his religion gave him the excuse and the target for his killings but that is all.

He would had lash out in other directions sooner or later if he lack the religion and or the dislike for the US actions.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 03:03 pm
@izzythepush,
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What happened in London on 7/7 springs to mind.


LOL the US drove those young men to placed bombs on themselves and then kill everyone around them.

They was happy and stable members of your society and but for the US would had not acted out in such a violence manner at some other time and place.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 04:20 pm
@izzythepush,
You know my friend it is an interesting idea you had that a government and a nation need to run their affairs in such a way as to not upset any of the sociopaths that exist or may exist in that society.

No abortions allow as we would not wish to upset the anti abortion sociopaths, no holocaust centers so we will not upset the anti Jewish sociopaths and of course no punishment or self defense allow against muslin religious terrorists.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 06:39 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

You know my friend it is an interesting idea you had that a government and a nation need to run their affairs in such a way as to not upset any of the sociopaths that exist or may exist in that society.


I don't think sociopaths are upset by children being targetted by drones. It's very easy to label all the people who carry out terrorist attrocities as sociopaths. It lets the government off the hook, after all they're just criminals looking for an excuse, and they'll find it no matter what. Undoubtedly there are people like that involved in terrorism. What is more worrying though are the disaffected young men in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, The Phillipines etc, who are looking for something to give their lives meaning. When a drone hits a child in Pakistan, those angry young men are going to be more likely to lokk to Al Qaida to give their lives meaning.

Think back to when you were in your 20s and 30s, weren't you ever tempted by the notion of some grand gesture that would give your life meaning? You can justify these attacks as much as you want, but it won't stop them being Al Qaida's biggest recruiting sergeant.
 

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