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Can Obama Lose? Will he be a one-term president?

 
 
Fido
 
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Reply Tue 13 Dec, 2011 07:09 am
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

"I am not in the betting business."
I am certain that if you are allowing capitalism and the government made in support of it- to govern your life you are trusting your very existence to chance... And consider that the dim wits have the same vote as you though they are living in the past, in magic, religion, ritual, and superstition, and that the rich are living in faith as well, in their ideology even while destroying the society which defends it, having no more foresight than the next quarter, hoping with every down turn of the economy that there truly is a cycle, and they are not seeing a flatline for the heartbeat of the monster that feeds them and bleeds us...
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revelette
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 08:51 am
RCP Average 12/15 - 1/14 -- 47.1 45.4 Obama +1.7

Obama 47.1
Romney 45.4

realclearpolitics
Fido
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 03:14 pm
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

RCP Average 12/15 - 1/14 -- 47.1 45.4 Obama +1.7

Obama 47.1
Romney 45.4

realclearpolitics
really??? Over 90% of the vote??? Why does no one count all the no bodies who stay home and sit on their hands because they know it is a rigged game they will lose all the faster the more they buy into it???? If The Only Reason I have to vote for Mr. Obama is to defend myself and humanity against the republicans then I have no reason because Mr. Obama has been no defense... He has done what the rich have wanted, and he does not have the education or moral authority to do other than what they tell him will help the economy... No one has the will to trash Capitalism and start over, so the alternative is to keep feeding it our futures to keep it alive a moment at a time, but what sort of life is that for capital??? When it is not on its death bed it is gobbling up all our capital, exporting that capital with our jobs, and importing the products of slave labor which they expect us to buy with our disappearing wages.. The government should be trying to save itself rather than capitalism... Those ships are sinking together, and there will be no rescue...
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 04:56 pm
Long article. Click the link. Here is the intro to whet your interest.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/01/15/andrew-sullivan-how-obama-s-long-game-will-outsmart-his-critics.html?fb_ref=article&fb_source=home_oneline

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Andrew Sullivan: How Obama's Long Game Will Outsmart His Critics
Jan 16, 2012 12:00 AM EST
The right calls him a socialist, the left says he sucks up to Wall Street, and independents think he's a wimp. Andrew Sullivan on how the president may just end up outsmarting them all.

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A caveat: I write this as an unabashed supporter of Obama from early 2007 on. I did so not as a liberal, but as a conservative-minded independent appalled by the Bush administration’s record of war, debt, spending, and torture. I did not expect, or want, a messiah. I have one already, thank you very much. And there have been many times when I have disagreed with decisions Obama has made—to drop the Bowles-Simpson debt commission, to ignore the war crimes of the recent past, and to launch a war in Libya without Congress’s sanction, to cite three. But given the enormity of what he inherited, and given what he explicitly promised, it remains simply a fact that Obama has delivered in a way that the unhinged right and purist left have yet to understand or absorb. Their short-term outbursts have missed Obama’s long game—and why his reelection remains, in my view, as essential for this country’s future as his original election in 2008.
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And here are a few excerpts:

Quote:

The right’s core case is that Obama has governed as a radical leftist attempting a “fundamental transformation” of the American way of life. Mitt Romney accuses the president of making the recession worse, of wanting to turn America into a European welfare state, of not believing in opportunity or free enterprise, of having no understanding of the real economy, and of apologizing for America and appeasing our enemies. According to Romney, Obama is a mortal threat to “the soul” of America and an empty suit who couldn’t run a business, let alone a country.
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Obama’s foreign policy, like Dwight Eisenhower’s or George H.W. Bush’s, eschews short-term political hits for long-term strategic advantage. It is forged by someone interested in advancing American interests—not asserting an ideology and enforcing it regardless of the consequences by force of arms. By hanging back a little, by “leading from behind” in Libya and elsewhere, Obama has made other countries actively seek America’s help and reappreciate our role. As an antidote to the bad feelings of the Iraq War, it has worked close to perfectly.
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But the right isn’t alone in getting Obama wrong. While the left is less unhinged in its critique, it is just as likely to miss the screen for the pixels. From the start, liberals projected onto Obama absurd notions of what a president can actually do in a polarized country, where anything requires 60 Senate votes even to stand a chance of making it into law. They have described him as a hapless tool of Wall Street, a continuation of Bush in civil liberties, a cloistered elitist unable to grasp the populist moment that is his historic opportunity. They rail against his attempts to reach a Grand Bargain on entitlement reform. They decry his too-small stimulus, his too-weak financial reform, and his too-cautious approach to gay civil rights. They despair that he reacts to rabid Republican assaults with lofty appeals to unity and compromise.
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What liberals have never understood about Obama is that he practices a show-don’t-tell, long-game form of domestic politics. What matters to him is what he can get done, not what he can immediately take credit for. And so I railed against him for the better part of two years for dragging his feet on gay issues. But what he was doing was getting his Republican defense secretary and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs to move before he did. The man who made the case for repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell” was, in the end, Adm. Mike Mullen. This took time—as did his painstaking change in the rule barring HIV-positive immigrants and tourists—but the slow and deliberate and unprovocative manner in which it was accomplished made the changes more durable. Not for the first time, I realized that to understand Obama, you have to take the long view. Because he does.

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This is where the left is truly deluded. By misunderstanding Obama’s strategy and temperament and persistence, by grandstanding on one issue after another, by projecting unrealistic fantasies onto a candidate who never pledged a liberal revolution, they have failed to notice that from the very beginning, Obama was playing a long game. He did this with his own party over health-care reform. He has done it with the Republicans over the debt. He has done it with the Israeli government over stopping the settlements on the West Bank—and with the Iranian regime, by not playing into their hands during the Green Revolution, even as they gunned innocents down in the streets. Nothing in his first term—including the complicated multiyear rollout of universal health care—can be understood if you do not realize that Obama was always planning for eight years, not four. And if he is reelected, he will have won a battle more important than 2008: for it will be a mandate for an eight-year shift away from the excesses of inequality, overreach abroad, and reckless deficit spending of the last three decades. It will recapitalize him to entrench what he has done already and make it irreversible.

Yes, Obama has waged a war based on a reading of executive power that many civil libertarians, including myself, oppose. And he has signed into law the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without trial (even as he pledged never to invoke this tyrannical power himself). But he has done the most important thing of all: excising the cancer of torture from military detention and military justice. If he is not reelected, that cancer may well return. Indeed, many on the right appear eager for it to return.

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If I sound biased, that’s because I am. Biased toward the actual record, not the spin; biased toward a president who has conducted himself with grace and calm under incredible pressure, who has had to manage crises not seen since the Second World War and the Depression, and who as yet has not had a single significant scandal to his name. “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle,” George Orwell once wrote. What I see in front of my nose is a president whose character, record, and promise remain as grotesquely underappreciated now as they were absurdly hyped in 2008.
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jcboy
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jan, 2012 06:34 pm
@H2O MAN,
Your profile says you’re a conservative activist.

I don’t believe it, I think you’re a secret weapon planted here by the Dem’s just to make conservatives look stupid.

Good job btw!
roger
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jan, 2012 06:58 pm
@jcboy,
He's way to consistant for that, but I don't doubt others have tried it.

My own plan is to have several "Go Obama!" stickers printed up - with the glue on the front. I'll show my support by sticking them on everybody's windshields.

How you like them apples?
Fido
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 10:02 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:




Obama is a little smarter than your average democrat liberal... that's not saying much.
I would say smarter and more intelligent than most Americans; but no one is any better than those they keep as friends or have in their crew... He is trying to make the old **** of the U.S. work in spite of no new ideas and no replacement parts... It is artists and philosophers who find new ideas, and lawyers and politicians capitalize on them... The thing is, that the capitalism that was a new baby when this nation was formed is an old whore now taking all she can get and giving nothing to the world but disease... No amount of magic, mumbo jumbo, or meditation is ever going to make that old whore a virgin... Mr. Obama is playing out the last act of a lost cause, but it must be got through to get at something better...
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 10:10 am
@roger,


Make them read "Go Away Obama" and they will be very popular.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 10:11 am
@jcboy,

Your purpose is to make libtards look normal... never give up, you can do it!
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 10:19 am
@roger,
roger wrote:

He's way to consistant for that, but I don't doubt others have tried it.

My own plan is to have several "Go Obama!" stickers printed up - with the glue on the front. I'll show my support by sticking them on everybody's windshields.

How you like them apples?


I actually have several of those stickers (sticky on the message side) - us bicyclists use them to punish asshole drivers who cut us off in traffic. There's a little spool of them on my messenger bag strap; get cut off, catch up to the dude at the light, rip it off and slap on windshield or passenger window.

Or, if they are really dicks, slap it on their paint. The back of the sticker says 'WARNING: DRIVER DOES NOT RESPECT BICYCLES!' I stopped doing that though b/c a friend told me it's almost impossible to remove from paint without screwing the finish up..

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 10:40 am
@Cycloptichorn,


Some people use a shovel to bury pedal Nazi's like yourself in shallow graves.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 10:45 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Sometimes those "dick drivers" are just normal people who didn't see you.

If you're getting cut off in traffic, then you're not being paranoid enough, IMO.

Any time your safety depends on someone else doing the right thing, you've failed.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 10:56 am


The president of the United States (Obama) is a mother's revenge against the America she despised.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 10:59 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Sometimes those "dick drivers" are just normal people who didn't see you.

If you're getting cut off in traffic, then you're not being paranoid enough, IMO.

Any time your safety depends on someone else doing the right thing, you've failed.


As I don't actually run into those people, my safety isn't exactly dependent on them, is it?

I bike constantly; believe me, I know the difference between a dick and someone who is just fiddling with their Iphone. Some people look right at you and then slide right over into where you are riding... others fail to respect your right-of-way or intentionally try and dart out into traffic (usually while taking a right turn) right in front of you. The worst is when people try and take a right turn INTO you, after coming up behind you, because they are in too much of a hurry to wait behind you.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 11:01 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:



I stopped doing that though b/c a friend told me it's almost impossible to remove from paint without screwing the finish up..




It's no surprise that you couldn't figure this out for yourself and that you actually needed a 'friend' to explain it to you.


Maybe this 'friend' can also explain to you how the country will be screwed up (FUBAR'd) if Obama is elected to a 2nd term.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 11:07 am
@Cycloptichorn,
And people can "look right at" something and not see it, because they're looking for something else.

Have you seen the video where you're asked to count how many times the basketball is passed?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 11:25 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

And people can "look right at" something and not see it, because they're looking for something else.

Have you seen the video where you're asked to count how many times the basketball is passed?


With the Gorilla, yeah.

So what? There's no difference as far as I'm concerned, the person SHOULD be looking for bicyclists. As long as we have a right to ride on the road (which we do) it is incumbent on the driver of an automobile to treat bicyclists with the respect they would treat a car. I have little patience or sympathy for those who screw it up.

I will say that the stickers are reserved for especially egregious offenses, it's not like I just slap 'em on any old car...

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 11:32 am


As far as I'm concerned you pedal Nazi's should respect fast moving motorized vehicles.
And any of you that are found riding two or more abreast on a public road deserve to be run over.
 

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