The horror of Sept. 11th, 2001

You've certainly got the number one rule of effective propaganda nailed, JW.

REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT, then REPEAT some more.

And for the deliverer of that propaganda, never, ever, under any circumstances, actually address the issues.

Maybe Goebbels was an uncle or a maternal grandfather?

(the rest of your post seems to be a description of yourself)

Actually addressing the issues can be done on other threads.

You are presuming things you don't really know about the motives of others. Your view of patriotism or "patriot types" , as you term some people, are your own and are nothing that concerns or interests me.

The fact that someone does or says something I find offensive, in no way imposes on me the obligation to address the content of what they did or said. I believe most people feel that way too.

my criticism was not for the content of your views but rather for the place and manner of your expression of them. I have been very clear about that, but you persist in attempts to distort the obvious - in what is very likely an effort to evade the sting of criticism.

.... and discussion is good for the soul.

And I say to TTL/TTH, look at what's going on in the world around you at this very minute... take a look at world history. Terrorist activity has been going on a long time... the fact it has finally happened on US soil is really, IMO, the fault of the US government.

My Lai Massacre

The My Lai Massacre was the mass murder of 347–504 unarmed citizens in South Vietnam on March 16, 1968, conducted by "Charlie" company, 1st battalion, 20th infantry, 11th infantry brigade, of the Americal Division, United States Army. All of the victims were civilians and most were women, children (including babies), and elderly people. Many of the victims were raped, beaten, tortured, and some of the bodies were found mutilated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre



www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BsOysRpNbY

In the first place, I have not "relentlessly vilified" you. I also have resisted your continued arguments for me to recant. There is an important difference. It is you, not me, who insists on the continuance of all this and keeps it going

.... my criticism was not for the content of your views but rather for the place and manner of your expression of them.

...but you persist in attempts to distort the obvious

Though you may find the prospect of a continued argument about your views of my country refreshing, I do not.

I have already witnessed enough of the shrill, strident intolerance and leaps to moral judgment involved in your views of Japanese whalers, Australian sheep exporters and many others to wish to find more congenial venues for dialogue.

I honestly can't see why I'm bothering to respond at all, George, but I'm going to anyway. ...:

Too bad that doesn't suit your perspective.

Nope.
That's not why I'm doing it, Tico.
I would think my reasons for doing it are fairly obvious, from my perspective
Too bad that doesn't suit your perspective.

HE MORE THAN LIKELY DOESN'T HAVE A PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.

It could be really good to participate in political debates/discussions on this thread & elsewhere on A2K & not have to deal with having vicious personal crap thrown at you for your opinions.
Thankfully, most of the time that doesn't happen.
But when you do have totally unreasonable crap throw in your direction, you are perfectly entitled to respond, yes?

Also I have no respect for bullies.
It's bad enough during adolescence, when bullies pick on "weaker" students.
I've had to deal with enough of that in the process of my work, for years.
Absolutely pathetic when adults resort to it, though.
It makes you wonder about them.

Pleased to have entertained you, though.

Ticomaya wrote:

msolga wrote:

Too bad that doesn't suit your perspective.

What a odd remark. What makes you think you have a grasp of my perspective?

The political views expressed in your previous posts here, Tico.

Ticomaya wrote:

You evidently made an assumption based upon how you view me. (Like how I assume that you spend much of your time knitting with your cats climbing all over you.)

Assumptions based on how I view you?
Wrong.
Actually, I don't think too much about you at all, Tico.

I honestly can't see why I'm bothering to respond at all, George, but I'm going to anyway. ...:

Quote:

In the first place, I have not "relentlessly vilified" you.

But you have, George.The comments you've directed at me have have consisted, almost entirely, of insults, one derogatory personal comment after another, little else .....

I asked you three times why you believed that "foreigners" shouldn't be participating in this discussion. Why our participation was so inappropriate, from your perspective, given that soldiers from many of our "foreign" countries were also involved in the "war on terror", in support of US foreign policy. And, yes, have been injured & have died in the process of supporting US foreign policy. That is not asking you to "recant". That is asking you to explain your thinking. Why shouldn't I ask you why you hold such a view?

As for who has perpetuated this nastiness, George ..You are conveniently rewriting the history of this thread .. what has actually occurred ... to suit yourself. Again, go back & read what actually took place.

You certainly have focused your attacks on my posting "manner", as you put it, totally disregarding everything else I've posted .
I can't argue with that.
You certainly haven't responded to any arguments that I (or anyone else ,for that matter) have made here.
As was suggested to you earlier, if "the manner of my expression" bothers you so much, then why not put me on "ignore"?
Problem solved.

I bet you'll come out with some huff about not needing to, or that is perfectly obvious to all, or some other such nonsense .. which won't surprise me in the slightest, because this is your usual style ...

But you cannot tolerate any questioning, any criticism of "your country" at all, George.And that is the real problem here.
You cannot cope with any arguments or questioning of US policy. Because, in your eyes, the US is always "right".
I'm sorry, but no country is always "right".
Why should we not question the actions of the US, or any other country, for that matter?
A2K is a forum for discussion & debate. Is unacceptable to you when discussion & debate occurs?

The other problem, during this discussion, is that you appear to have the deluded belief that it is just one solitary poster here (me), who has questioned the "war on terror".... & you've singled out that one poster to direct your outrage at all the questions & criticisms.

Even a cursory glance at the posts on this thread clearly shows that the overwhelming number of posts here have been of a questioning nature, as opposed to your unquestioning "my country right or wrong" beliefs.
And that is what has bothered you ...
How dare anyone question "your country".
How dare so many question.
And your response to many questions & criticisms from the many posts, from the many posters here? Both American & "foreign".
Respond to those many posts with anything vaguely resembling a coherent counter-argument?
No. You chose instead to single out just one poster (me) & relentlessly attack that poster's integrity & question that poster's right to even participate in this discussion.
It's interesting to me that you chose not to respond to far more provocative & critical posters here in the same way to you responded to mine.
Why not?
Can you honestly not see how cowardly & hypocritical that is?
I certainly can
You've behaved like a bully toward me here.

I'm sorry, George, but this last comment made me laugh. Really.
Can you not see pompous & funny you sound sometimes?

But as to my "strident intolerance" and "shrill moral judgments" ... George, George ...


The thing is, I am never going to hold the same political views that you hold about such things, George (heaven forbid! ) & you are never going to hold the same as mine.
But so what?
Get over it.
We can both express our views, surely.
What exactly is your problem with me expressing mine?

Unlike you, I don't make a habit of deriding a you on personal or character grounds for holding different views to mine.
And I can't recall ever telling telling you to "shut up", or to leave the forum because your views were so unacceptable to me. Which you did to me on this thread. In quite a "shrill" "strident" & "judgmental" manner, if you don't mind me saying so.

Well, you're obviously doing it for our entertainment pleasure.

Now, we find out that you have assessed my previous posts, and evidently do have a view of me, despite your earlier protestations to the contrary. And more than merely having a view of me, you are keenly aware of my perspective.