American girl in Italy, 60 years later

Contrary to what the article tries to dispel, no matter how long I look at this photo, the creepitoid factor remains at 10 on a scale of 1-10.

In fact when I actually pay more attention to certain men in the photo, my feelings of violation, being fearful and shamed rises to 14.

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I see a woman who looks scared shitless and about to break into a run. The guy in the necktie to her left looks like he's grabbing his junk and saying something vile. The one next to him looks like he's already invading her space, and is going to in the next instant step forward and block her way.

In her "Today" appearance, Craig spoke about how, despite what some might say, the photo isn't a "symbol of harassment." Craig insists that the image is "a symbol of a woman having an absolutely wonderful time."

Was it staged? No! No, no, no! You don't have 15 men in a picture and take just two shots. The men were just there . . . . The only thing that happened was that Ruth Orkin was wise enough to ask me to turn around and go back and repeat" the walk down the street.

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Was it staged? No! No, no, no! You don't have 15 men in a picture and take just two shots. The men were just there . . . . The only thing that happened was that Ruth Orkin was wise enough to ask me to turn around and go back and repeat" the walk down the street.

That's staged.

The look on that woman's face is not what I would call one of joy.

Those guys all look like they are ready to jump her bones. Perhaps that is not the intent of the picture but that's what it appears like to me.

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The look on that woman's face is not what I would call one of joy.

The woman disagrees.

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Those guys all look like they are ready to jump her bones. Perhaps that is not the intent of the picture but that's what it appears like to me.

That was hardly uncommon for the 50s. Hell, Bob Hope always took knockouts on his overseas tours specifically for the troops to ogle. I don't think he took them there just to remind the boys of their old school teachers.

I expressed my opinion. Then you made it clear you thought I was wrong.

I'm a bit of a loss about the 'staging' argument. For me this is not about Italy, the 50s, sexism or anything. It's an image. The image creates a creepy affect (projection it may well be - all art appreciation is). Do you dismiss a horror movie as 'not scary' because it's staged?

It could have been a lone <insert nationality> man walking through a <insert nation> women's wear store drawing that attention and it would still be creepy. (in fact I'm thinking of the 2.5 men episode with the witches coven).

People are strange.

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Contrary to what the article tries to dispel, no matter how long I look at this photo, the creepitoid factor remains at 10 on a scale of 1-10.

In fact when I actually pay more attention to certain men in the photo, my feelings of violation, being fearful and shamed rises to 14.

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I see a woman who looks scared shitless and about to break into a run. The guy in the necktie to her left looks like he's grabbing his junk and saying something vile. The one next to him looks like he's already invading her space, and is going to in the next instant step forward and block her way.

Gee, you came to that completely unwarranted conclusion, why, Chai; because you stopped at the first paragraph?

Can you say "projection"?

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In her "Today" appearance, Craig spoke about how, despite what some might say, the photo isn't a "symbol of harassment." Craig insists that the image is "a symbol of a woman having an absolutely wonderful time."

You guys are really sum'in else.

You want to see violation, fear, shame, degradation, rape, horror, packs of hyenas, ... .

Try,

American boys in the Philippines, 110 years later

American boys in Vietnam, 40 years later

American boys in {____}, [__} years later

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Was it staged? No! No, no, no! You don't have 15 men in a picture and take just two shots. The men were just there . . . . The only thing that happened was that Ruth Orkin was wise enough to ask me to turn around and go back and repeat" the walk down the street.

That's staged.

Wouldn't be the first time that a viewer got something other than the artists intention. It seemed that several on this discussion and the much earlier one we're saying somehow that because it was staged it wasn't creepy. That argument doesn't fly for me.