Rioting spreading through London & to other English cities.

You're not a devotee of Ludd perchance?

Of course you would, you deny the reality of evolution. How much easier to deny the value of technology.

If I so irritate you that you can not resist scolding me, I suggest you employ the "ignore' feature.

Of course you would, you deny the reality of evolution. How much easier to deny the value of technology.

Revealed: the full picture of sentences handed down to rioters
# Guardian.co.uk, Thursday 18 August 2011 21.23 BST

Exclusive: Guardian data confirms courts opt for tougher punishments, and shows the demographic of those charged

Data: the full list of cases and convictions so far


Young inmate in a prison cell at Portland young offenders institution. A Ministry of Justice spokeswoman said there were enough places for those being sent to prison. Photograph: Paul Doyle/Alamy

The courts are handing down prison sentences to convicted rioters that are on average 25% longer than normal, according to an exclusive Guardian analysis of 1,000 riot-related cases dealt with so far by magistrates.

The data proves for the first time that the handful of high-profile individual cases – including a four-year sentence for inciting disorder on Facebook – are indicative of a more punitive general trend.

This unprecedented access to national court results reveals that 70% of defendants have been remanded in custody to await crown court trial, fuelling a surge in the prison population, which reached a record high of 86,608 in England and Wales. The Guardian's data also shows that 56 defendants of the 80 who have already been sentenced by magistrates were given immediate prison terms. This 70% rate of imprisonment compares with a "normal" rate of just 2% in magistrates courts.

More than half those imprisoned were charged with theft or handling stolen goods, receiving an average of 5.1 months. This is 25% longer than the average custodial sentence for these crimes of 4.1 months seen in courts during 2010, according to Ministry of Justice statistics. Public order offences are leading to sentences 33% longer than normal and those convicted of assaulting police officers have been jailed for 40% longer than usual.

The results reflect the limited sentencing powers of the magistrates courts, which cannot pass a sentence of more than six months for an individual offence. The Guardian analysis shows that the average prison sentence handed out by the magistrates to rioters so far is five months. This is double the usual prison sentence in the magistrates courts of 2.5 months, but that average includes many other more minor offences, including motoring offences.

Prison governors said that the huge 677-strong rise in jail numbers over the last week sparked by this more punitive approach had pitched the prison system into "an unprecedented situation". Emergency measures had been agreed with Prison Service chiefs in case the rapid rise in inmate numbers continued unabated over the next fortnight.

The Prison Governors Association said medium- to long-term measures included opening enough new and refurbished jail accommodation to avoid the normal emergency measure of using police cells.

The governors said they were confident the situation could be managed safely.

The record prison numbers are putting jails and young offender institutions under increasing pressure: there are only 1,485 spare places in the system before prison governors have to put out the "jail full" signs. ...<cont>

UK riots: the list of magistrate cases and convictions so far
Who is ending up in the magistrates courts accused of riot-related offences? Now includes around 500 cases

• Get the data

• Mapped: the riots and where suspected rioters lived

From what I understand from Spendius is that he does not deny it but rather wants to deny it to others!

16: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Schoolchildren rl. They are denied many other aspects of knowledge. The US has proscribed books and films etc. It has its "Index".

16: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.



Epistle to the Galatians.

Are you content that we are all to be justified by the law only?

If you are then you support Kim Il-sung, Gadaffi and Assad

A catholic system is one which can embrace the world.

Laws are not much good if they are not ethical!

And I'm at a loss as to what to say about rl's infantile post.