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Rioting spreading through London & to other English cities.

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 10:00 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Vacation is an American word, we don't use it. My little boy is autistic, and seems much younger than his actual age which is 11. The thing that he mentions most about his trip to the zoo is his ride on the merry go round, followed by stroking the sheep. His favourite animal changes on a daily basis.
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 10:00 am
@izzythepush,
it would take a cunning plan
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 10:01 am
@djjd62,
As cunning as a fox, who has just been made professor of cunning at Oxford University.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 10:03 am
@izzythepush,
i my locale, Devon and Devonshire are names for a shopping centre, old folks home and a wood were it's alleged that men get up to naughty business with other men
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 10:23 am
@djjd62,
That's called cottaging. Gives the phrase 'beautiful Devon cottage' a whole new lease of life.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 10:26 am
@Pamela Rosa,
Wow! That was up to date, did you know the Berlin Wall has come down?
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 11:27 am
@izzythepush,
given the subject of one of her rather prolific threads, she probably not only knows, but believes a black man is responsible Wink
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 11:34 am
@djjd62,
Probably this guy,
http://yinnyang.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Rastamouse-Cbeebies.jpg
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 11:54 am
@Pamela Rosa,
There are thousands of furniture stores Pamela. That one was an accidental incident from which nothing significant can be deduced. It could just as easily have been built last year.

And Mr Thompson is "alleged" to have "triggered" the fire. A legal expert would not say at this stage that he had burnt it down.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 12:00 pm
Does it scare you all to put Media and its brown-nosers centre stage in this discussion. Or is it that you enjoy Media menacing traditional entertainment, undermining religion, encouraging sexual immorality, giving lessons in safe blowing and wrecking the art of conversation."

Watch Parkinson sell Sun Life Over 50s insurance plans if ever you have trouble spewing up.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 12:31 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Vacation is an American word, we don't use it.
What word do u use when someone VACATES ?
In England, does everyone remain in the same place all the time?
No; that can 't be, otherwise my grandfather 'd still be in Devonshire
(unless thay adopted an anti-vacation policy since the 18OOs).




izzythepush wrote:
My little boy is autistic, and seems much younger than his actual age which is 11.
About a week or 2 ago,
I was with a fellow (among others) who is now a new adult,
but whom I 've known for a good ten years, along with his mom, Rhoda.
She gave a presentation on autism and he identified himself
as being autistic. (I knew of no evidence of anything out of the ordinary.)

During the presentation, the assertion was made that autistic people
are less communicative because thay believe that other people
are only figments of their imaginations. I was surprized to hear that.
Do u agree with that?




izzythepush wrote:
The thing that he mentions most about his trip to the zoo is his ride on the merry go round,
followed by stroking the sheep. His favourite animal changes on a daily basis.
Yes; the Bronx Zoo has a petting zoo, also.
Its mostly for children. I hope that he will be happy
and I wish him the best
.





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 12:38 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

What word do u use when someone VACATES ?


Gone/out/to work/on holiday/down the shops/down the pub.

Quote:
During the presentation, the assertion was made that autistic people
are less communicative because thay believe that other people
are only figments of their imaginations. I was surprized to hear that.
Do u agree with that?

No.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 01:27 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Does it scare you all to put Media and its brown-nosers centre stage in this discussion.


I'm not scared, but I think this is your cause celebre. How would you put Media on trial? Perhaps through a Channel 4 special? That would be ironic. You're not a devotee of Ludd perchance?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 01:34 pm
In its entirety because Hitchens is worth it....

Britons Have Been Violent and Cruel for Generations

Still, England has not yet collapsed into a nightmare of destruction and despair

By Christopher Hitchens

Quote:
I realized that the collapse of British society into a Hobbesian nightmare of mutual predation and despair was still some distance off when I caught two little straws in the wind. The first was a well-framed photograph of a badly scorched bit of London, taken on the morning after a night of riots and vandalism. Apart from heavily accoutered cops, the only human figures on the scene consisted of a forest of sleeveless forearms, all brandishing the long handles of mops and heavy-duty scrubbing brushes. The ordinary working day had scarcely begun, but the process of digging out and cleaning up, inaugurated by the volunteer locals, was already under way. Of course, I thought to myself. Inflict a physical disaster on any British city, but especially on London, and the inhabitants seem to know, without any previous training for the role, that they have been cast in a remake of Britain Beats the Blitz.

The second exhibit you may already have seen. If not, then make haste to YouTube and watch the video of Pauline Pearce. Pearce is a resident, of West Indian descent, of the London borough of Hackney. She is a woman suffering from a physical disability and on an early night of the disorders, she had found herself confronted and menaced on the street by crowds of young hooligans and help-yourself artists. By the time the next day rolled around, the whole area knew of the terrific on-site harangue she had delivered and of the vials of shame that she had upended over the heads of the offenders. She was being stopped in the street and invited to revisit the high points again. For undiluted outrage and brilliant street humor, the result is hard to beat. Interviewed the next day, Pearce took a strong line on property rights, demanding to know why, if people worked and saved to buy a car, anyone should have the nerve to come along and set fire to it. She then pointed across the street and asked how the thugs knew there weren't babies asleep next to the windows that were suddenly red with arson.

It was quite something and, again, there is nothing the British like more than the sight of a tough motherly figure giving the layabouts a piece of her mind. So perhaps the resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. Still, this leaves open the question of why so many British people also enjoy battering and maiming strangers, destroying or damaging landmark buildings (probably without knowing that that's what they are), and pretending to come to the aid of wounded foreign tourists, the better to lift things from their backpacks.

There are two unhelpful approaches to this, the first of them based on the assumption—still very widespread in the American press—that there is something essentially un-English about gratuitous violence. A second approach makes the opposite emphasis and consists of saying, in effect, look up your Dickens and your Mayhew and your Engels: The London of a few generations ago was a scene of mob rule as well as class rule. Life was cheap, justice was expensive; nobody was more cruel to children than the English; and no peaceful citizen was safe from the footpad, the highwayman, and the pickpocket. This "nothing new under the sun" theory is too callous and doesn't really succeed in explaining anything. But nor, necessarily, does the alternative theory that blames all the "new" violence on the "old" vices, of selfishness, greed, the decline of family values and religion, and so forth.

Last year, I had a debate with my brother Peter at the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. (His contributions to the current argument, which are among the most cogent being offered by anyone on the British right, can be found on his blog at London's Mail on Sunday.) Curtain-raising these questions, Peter led off with some recent crime statistics and accounts of criminal incidents that were quite hair-raising. He basically challenged me to say whether I would have believed such stories, or ever expected them to come true, in the more innocent England of our boyhood.

Without resorting too glibly to the Dickens/Mayhew/Engels defense cited above, I found that I could. Vicious crime was constantly spoken of in undertones—and the names of "bad" neighborhoods in quite respectable towns were likewise whispered about—by people who quite genuinely feared the underclass and in particular its violent children. In more famously "bad" cities, like Glasgow and Liverpool and Belfast, one heard credible reports of whole streets and areas and housing estates where it wasn't worth chancing a visit. (These same districts of urban blight, as I hastened to remind the audience for our debate, tended also to be the setting of very dogged traditional, religious, and family values, often expressed by Protestant-Catholic warfare of a sort that was later to mount a real challenge to the British state.)

Then there were the successive panics about feral youth. In the mid-'60s, street and beachfront clashes between Mods and Rockers petrified the respectable and set magistrates competing with each other in the stiffness of their sentences for fans of the Who. Pure panic in the early 1970s effectively banned Stanley Kubrick's version of Anthony Burgess' A Clockwork Orange. More recent was Britain's most disgusting export as well as a poisonous recreation: the mobilization of huge squads of ugly drunks at soccer matches. More recently, though, the introduction of mass CCTV has allowed an amazing degree of crowd control even at this level.

So how much fresh bad news is there really under the sun? Friends of mine tend to stress the laws that are never enforced, the grinning bullies who walk free, the waste of police time on politically correct trivia, and the general "defining down" of unacceptable behavior. But the only really new development, without historical analog, is the emergence of gangs and even small-scale "communities" that feel they owe no civic or political or in many cases religious loyalty to the state or its institutions. These groups and areas often detest each other as much as they do the wider society: There has been graphic violence, for example, between Afro-Caribbean and Asian Muslim factions. Clearly, also, these are the sort of rank, polluted waters in which white supremacist and jihadist groups can find their fishing grounds. I remind you that all of this was already an extremely clear and present danger, long before the all-purpose expression "the cuts" was being used for all-purpose purposes.

http://www.slate.com/id/2301920/
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 01:47 pm
@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:
Is it DISLOYAL
if the Duke of Devonshire lives in Derbyshire??



Oh no.
The Duke of Bridgewater (Somerset) owns land in Salford (Lancashire and Greater Manchester)
The Duke of Northumberland owned Syon House (London, Surrey I think)
The Duke of Edinburgh (Scotland)'s son owns much of Cornwall.

Our dukes pop up all over the place. We've got loads of them.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 01:57 pm
@izzythepush,
Now I'm going to have to google and see if there was a real life Ludd - it would make sense if there were. (I'm not complaining re googling).

I'm a semi luddite in that I'm slow to just 'get' machination, per se, and the design thereof, but once I get it, I'm comfy, happy with trouble-shooting and all that.
Once what was wrong with our spectrophotometer was that there was a dead mouse in it...
That's not a metaphor.

With computers, there has been a resistance curve in my heart, based on "need to know".

I've a certain underlying fear of machine blades taking off my fingers, reasonable re real life clumsiness and the cheapshitness of some of the kitchen stuff I've purchased.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 02:04 pm
@ossobuco,
Ah, it seems there was or was not a real Ludd as the cause of all this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 02:07 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:

Our dukes pop up all over the place. We've got loads of them.
The general order of precedence among dukes is:
• Dukes in the Peerage of England (e.g. the Duke of Somerset and the Duke of Devonshire)
• Dukes in the Peerage of Scotland
• Dukes in the Peerage of Great Britain (e.g. the Duke of Northumberland)
• Dukes in the Peerage of Ireland
• Dukes in the Peerage of the United Kingdom (e.g. the Duke of Edinburgh)
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 02:18 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Once what was wrong with our spectrophotometer was that there was a dead mouse in it...


Are you suggesting that the mouse who operates the controls in Hawkeye's head has passed on?
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2011 02:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
sounds like them dukes is a bunch of preverts, what with all that peering going on
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