Obunga: Palestine must be based on 67 borders........

At least we've stopped the name calling. I think that my portrayal of the UK has been considerably more critical than your portrayal of the United States. Let's just leave it at that. What do you think of involving Hamas in the Peace Process?

Hard to fault the European Jews who fled death and rejection in their former homelands to found a refuge in the Middle east. Hard too to fault the Palestinians displaced from their former homes.

because the role of the United States during the Holocaust was awful, before and during. They didn't act to save Jews, and they could have in many respects. The role of the Zionist organization is not very pretty either. In the late 1940s there were plenty of displaced persons in the Jewish DP camps. Some survived. It remained awful, they stayed in the DP camps, in fact, for a while they were dying at almost the same rate they were under the Nazis. Many of those people, if they had been given a chance, surely would have wanted to come to the United States. There are debates about how many, but it's just unimaginable that if they'd been given a chance they wouldn't have wanted to come here. They didn't. A tiny scattering came. There was an immigration bill, the Stratton bill, which I think admitted about 400,000 people, if I remember, to the United States, very few Jews among them. Plenty of Nazis, incidentally, straight out of their SS uniforms. The reason that bill passed, I think it was 1947, was that it was the beginning of the Cold War and priority was being given to basically the Nazis, because we were resurrecting them all over the world, a lot of them were brought in, a lot of Nazi war criminals, and others, but very few Jews. That's not a very pretty sight.

http://www.chomsky.info/books/dissent01.htm

It is also difficult to rationalize the current behavior of folks whose countries played a major part in creating this situation in criticizing the motives and actions of those who are merely trying to deal weith the consequences.

In fact, one very conservative and very honest Zionist leader, Nachem Goldman, who was the President of the World Zionist Organization and who was detested towards the end because he was much too honest -- they even refused to send a delegation to his burial, I believe, or a message. He's one of the founders of the Jewish state and the Zionist movement and one of the elder statesmen, a very honest man, he -- just before his death in 1982 or so -- made a rather eloquent and unusual statement in which he said that it's -- he used the Hebrew word for "sacrilege" -- he said it's sacrilege to use the Holocaust as a justification for oppressing others. He was referring to something very real: exploitation of probably the world's most horrifying atrocity in order to justify oppression of others. That kind of manipulation is really sick.

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There's only one country than can put similar pressure on Israel.

The EU and Israel maintain a strong trading partnership. Israel ranks 25th in a list of major EU import partners, and 23rd in the export list. The EU is Israel's first trading partner with total trade amounting to approximately €20.2 billion in 2009. The EU is Israel's major source of imports and is the second largest market for exports behind United States (covering 29.3% and 32.9% of the export market respectively).

You mentioned Northern Ireland, people were saying that the time wasn't right as well. What made the time start to be right was the British and Irish governments putting pressure on the two sides in the first place. With the Arab Spring there may well be an honest broker in the case of Egypt to pressurise Hamas into talks. There's only one country than can put similar pressure on Israel.

Get a life you sad bastard!

You're just as much a bigot and a racist as oralboy and gunga.

What proof do you have of Europeans falsifying investigations into Gaza?

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Your side seem particularly short on facts and heavy on insults and commands.

talk about the pot calling the kettle black

what's happened to you, that you go along with moron's like oralboy & gunka? and for a father some of the stuff you're coming out with is disturbing.

I don't, I already said both sides have committed atrocities and there's blame on both sides.

The likes of oral & gunga are of the opinion it's all one sides fault, i'm not, are you?

As I said before, most people over here believe that Al Megrahi was an innocent man. It may have been a bit unfortunate that the justice minister who announced his release sounded just like Frankie Boyle. I don't usually watch Fox News, no I never watch Fox News, but I did then. It was brilliant watching all these far-right commentators spitting feathers because someone in the UK had decided to ignore America and apply the rule of law.

One of the biggest obstacles to any form of sanction is Germany's guilt over WW2,

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Your inability to address any facts is again apparent.

I would like to say something positive about their posts....the spelling is correct .

I already said both sides have committed atrocities
and there's blame on both sides.

I'm sorry, you're not an American bigot, you're an Antipodean bigot.

In fact, one very conservative and very honest Zionist leader