@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Those were not the teerms the Nazis offered. They were willing to allow Britain to keep its empire and wanted free rein in Europe. Britain refused despite enduring the Blitz. America was fighting in it's own interests. Britain and America happened to be on the same side. The contribution of the Soviet Union was far more significant to the defeat of Nazi Germany than anything else, but Russians don't expect our thanks.
The Nazis also offered the Czech people fairly good terms (brokered by British PM Neville Chamberlain) that if they would only surrender the Sudetenland (and their defensible borders) they would enjoy peace and independence. It didn't work out that way for them. Britain's refusal of Hitlers supposed offer, though entirely admirable, was by then the only real choice. It was clear the Nazis would respect no terms.
izzythepush wrote:The Blitz was the equivalent of a 9/11 everyday. Judging by America's hysteria to 9/11 compared with our dignified response to 7/7 it's patently obvious America could not have endured the Blitz. It was not for nothing that Churchill described the Battle of Britain as our finest hour.
The death tolls in the two attacks were very far out of proportion to the ratios of our respective populations - not very comparable at all.
The Battle of Britain was indeed a noble enterprise. However you got yourselves into that corner with the follies of WWI; the "peace to end all peace" you inflicted at Versailles; your (and France's) timidity during Hitler's early years; and your betrayal of Poland. (By the way there were lots of Polish aviators flying fighters in the RAF in that struggle - and they got a disproportionate fraction of the kills).
izzythepush wrote:
How about a 'simple thank you,' for fighting America's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
OK... Thank You. (actually thank Tony Blair)
Considering that in Iraq we were cleaning up a mess left over from Britain's dismantling of the Ottoman state and attempt (in the 1920s) to rule Iraq (you got kicked our in an armed insurrection that led directly to the creation of the Baath political party that spawned Saddam - and Assad of Syria), your help in this role was the least you could do without shame. This and Afghanistan are not really "America's wars", though your characterization of them is in keeping with popular contemporary views in the UK and Western Europe. Your contributions in Afghanistan are part of your obligations under ther NATO treaty, and your contributions, though significant and needed, are not in proportion to our respective sizes. (This is a fact that involves all our NATO allies, and one that has seriouslty diminished the stature of that alliance in the eyes of most Americans.)
It might be worthwhile for you to contemplate the likely trajectory of the "Arab Spring" if Saddam were still in power, and to consider the likely connections that history will likely make between the overthrow of his rule and the events we are beginning to see now.
izzythepush wrote:
As for America's nobility, a country with rampaging Islamaphobia, a refusal to accept international law, a country that tortures prisoners and is too cowardly to put terrorist suspects on trial does not sound that noble to me.
We have different concepts of International law. A flabby and supine Europe needs to believe that the proceedings of institutions like the EU and the UN constitute "International Law" Unfortunately they are not recognized as such by most of the nations of the world. Indeed you have quite enough problems of your own in the EU to begin to understand that evident principle.
"Islamophobia" is a nice big word, but it doesn't describe the facts here. We are very proficient at assimilating immigrants from everywhere and their contributions to a common culture that we all have created. Those who reject that culture and that principle are themselves rejected. Nothing new there. We have long had a very large population of immigrants from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, and more recently Afghanistan and Central Asia. Overall I believe we do a good deal better in assimilating them into our culture than do you.
We have put a number of terrorist suspects on trial, and now that our feckless President has failed at his sappy attempts to curry favor with the hand-wringers of the world, are likely to proceed with the trials by military tribunals (entirely within "international law") that the previous Administration authorized.
Anyway, nobody's perfect. We are a little tough on those who inflict injury on us and your system of justice (and loyalty to supposed allies) is for sale to tyrants from Lybia.