Osama Bin Laden is dead

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/cartoons/20110502_ink_tank?pg=4

@msolga,

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It is up to you to decide whether Bin Laden's killing is a cause for celebration for you or not.

No I am sad that a man who was largely responsible for the deaths of thousands of my fellow citizens and was a symbol for those who would like to add to his death toll had his life ended by US Special Forces.

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@failures art,

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Would I fairly summarize your feelings to say that your objection is simply that chanting "USA" misses the global significance of the event/Osama?

I think that was the majority of my objection.

Yes, partly.
Also it seemed to become (for some) more to do with US domestic politics than the global tragedy it has been for so many.

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Uhm...Where/how had bin Laden been getting dialysis all these years?

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@farmerman,

That is a Georgia boy.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Uhm...Where/how had bin Laden been getting dialysis all these years?

Never mind: http://www.medcitynews.com/2011/05/bin-laden-didnt-have-kidney-disease-morning-read/

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@dadpad,

dadpad wrote:

Some thought into why this man and his cronies attacked the US in the first place might also be justified.

I like Set's answer to you about them attacking us because our soldiers were in Saudi Arabia. That was a major point of contention with the terrorists (even though we were there because the Saudis wanted us there to protect them from Saddam).

But they also attacked us because they wanted to set up a Taliban-style extremist government in all Islamic nations, they figured (correctly) we would act to oppose them if they tried to do that, and they figured (incorrectly) that 9/11 would intimidate us into not opposing them.

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@failures art,

I object to the insipid stupidity of jingoism. The crowds were mostly young and mostly foolish and sounded remarkably like the stupid brand of patriotism Team America was satirizing in the song America! **** Yeah!.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

I'm just reading through, so someone may have said this already - but I think the most worrisome thing to me was the purported WH concern that Pakistan may scramble fighters and come after us if they found out we were in their airspace, planning for a raid on BL. They've been hiding him this whole time, it seems.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/02/obama-to-make-statment-tonight-subject-unknown

[Updated 11:09 am. ET] As the assault on bin Laden's compound commenced, the United States had a number of U.S. aircraft flying protective missions, according to a senior U.S. military official. None of the aircraft entered Pakistani airspace but they were prepared to do so if needed, the official told CNN.

These included fixed wing fighter jets that would have provided firepower if the team came under opposition fire it could not handle.

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@tsarstepan,

Another cartoon:

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/05/04/2342313/leunigcod-620x0.jpg

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I've just taken the time to read every post in this thread, and what I think is being swept under the carpet here is the way us westerners are coming to accept that brutality and murder is the only rational way to deal with such situations.

Recently, a team of Mossad operatives assumed Australian identities to assassinate one of their country's political enemies. The outcry was not about the murder, but about the identity theft.

In this instance, military aggression was used in a peaceful urban area, and (if reports so far released can be believed) both women and young children were killed.

Can you appreciate how far down the evolutionary scale we have dropped to be applauding this kind of action?

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@Builder,

And how is it that Christians can assume to be more evolved and more compassionate than Moslems? When they applaud this kind of brutality?

Bin Laden hasn't done anything for years, and was never implicated in 911. He was merely a convenient soundbite in the war on terror campaign.

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@Builder,

Hi Builder

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I've just taken the time to read every post in this thread, and what I think is being swept under the carpet here is the way us westerners are coming to accept that brutality and murder is the only rational way to deal with such situations.

I share your concerns.
I think you'll be very interested in this thread, too.:

What precedent does Bin Laden's killing set?
http://able2know.org/topic/171578-1

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@msolga,

Thankyou Amythest.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

Ionus wrote:
I think there is a huge difference between cheering the death of one man, a figure head who is guilty of multiple murders and cheering the deaths of many innocents . I can accept people responding to it like they did, but I have trouble accepting the Arab world and their gloating over murder.

It all depends on your point of view. Those cheering American deaths likely did so because they believed Americans are responsible for killing others and it was justice being delievered to those who seemed to be beyond justice. I don't agree with that point of view but it is what it is.

I think people who cheered 9/11 should be targeted for drone airstrikes.

engineer wrote:

For those who hold that point of view, seeing Americans cheering in the street would have the same impact on them that their cheering did after 911 did on us.

There is no moral equivalence between "an extremist cheering the deaths of innocent civilians" and "an American cheering the death of a mass murderer".

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

and lest you forget, the US is the only country to have used nukes, twice, both times when there was no actual need. It was just political boasting.

Your post, as usual, off topic.

I felt compelled to respond to it, but I also felt compelled to place my response in the proper thread.

You can find my reply here:
http://able2know.org/topic/1591-54#post-4596300

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Did you know that Iran was once a model democracy, until it was overthrown by the Shah in an American lead coup? You may not remember that but the Iranians do.

America was hardly responsible for the coup. We did what we could to prevent the UK from invading and toppling Iran's government, and it was only when Iran's clerics (the same clerics who later overthrew the Shah and who rule Iran today) also decided to try to overthrow the government that we went along with it as the "least bad" option.

And we continuously pressured the Shah to implement democratic reforms throughout the time he was in power.

izzythepush wrote:

Arabs have long memories. They're still going on about the bloody crusades.

Ah, the Crusades. That's when the Arabs invaded someone (the Roman Empire) who had done them no harm, and people rallied to try to repel the invaders.

Yes, I imagine it might be frustrating for Islamic invaders to have their victims try to resist being subjugated.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I first came to this site because I wanted to know what the term 'white bread' meant. When I googled it, it popped up. I heard it on The Simpsons from the song everyone hates Ned Flanders. Apu says of Flanders 'He's so white bread.' I thought Apu was threatening to kill Flanders. Which I thought was a bit macabre for Apu. I don't think that now. The reason I thought it though was because of rhyming slang. A friend of mine once said of a neighbour. 'I told him, if he lit another bonfire when I put the washing out he was brown bread' Brown bread - Dead.

I think it was Googling "Hiroshima" that drew me in, way back when. This is an interesting place. Lots of intelligent discussion here.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

farmerman wrote:

NEXT !
That 's RIGHT!
I was thinking about him,
but I forgot his name.

Laden was more important,
but he is important too.

David

Mullah Omar is important as the head of the Taliban, but there are a number of al-Qa'ida higher-ups who are more important tartgets, IMO.

Zawahiri in particular is far more important than Omar.

Here are the top 5 living members of al-Qa'ida:

Overall Commander:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/ayman-al-zawahiri
http://www.interpol.int/public/Data/NoticesUN/Notices/Data/2000/43/2000_17843.asp
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page=Zawahiri&language=english
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayman_al-Zawahiri
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/ayman_al-zawahiri.htm

Deputy to the Overall Commander:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/abu_khayr.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/abu_kheir_el_masry.htm

Military Chief:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/saif-al-adel
http://www.interpol.int/public/Data/Wanted/Notices/Data/2001/33/2001_14733.asp
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page=Al_Adel&language=english
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saif_al-Adel
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/saif_al-adel.htm

Intelligence Chief:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/abdullah-ahmed-abdullah
http://www.interpol.int/public/Data/Wanted/Notices/Data/2001/03/2001_14403.asp
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page=Abdullah&language=english
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Ahmed_Abdullah
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/abdullah_ahmed_abdullah.htm

Explosives and Chemical Weapons Trainer:
http://www.interpol.int/public/Data/NoticesUN/Notices/Data/2006/56/2006_16356.asp
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page=Ali_Sayyid_al-Bakri&language=english
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Sayyid_Muhamed_Mustafa_al-Bakri
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/abd_al-aziz_al-masri.htm

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@Builder,

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Can you appreciate how far down the evolutionary scale we have dropped to be applauding this kind of action?

So modern pacifists are more highly evolved then homo sapiens ??? Is that the natural opinion of modern pacifists or did they have to be talked into it ?

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