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Osama Bin Laden is dead

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:24 am
@Ticomaya,
Quote:
GWB: “The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done


We can only hope, Tico, we can only hope.

And the former director of the National Security Agency said "By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism - in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation".
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:25 am
@JTT,
Relax. They're singing the Kenyan national anthem.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:26 am
@failures art,
Quote:
Wouldn't it be strange if that useless show of lavish entitlement actually contributed to AQ's gaurs being down?


I don't think that you have the foggiest notion just how ironic your use of "lavish entitlement" is in relation to this situation, Art.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:26 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Ali wasn't knocked down


A perfunctory view of the film of that fight would, I'm sure, lead you to conclude that you are talking crap.
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:29 am

I think the circumstances surrounding Bin Laden's death, and the nature of it, will cause the USA a lot more problems than it solved.
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chai2
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:30 am
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:


pretty sure that's a fake photo.
it appears they took the photo on the right and photo-shopped...


Agree.

There are too many points of exactness from one picture to the next.
A dead persons mouth and tongue would not look like that, with no more muscle control around it.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:32 am
@georgeob1,
Jesus, if ever there was a need for a vomit emoticon, it's now! And not just because of Gob's usual idiotic expectorations.

Quote:
Do you really think that passivity will deter folks like that? Do you have any historical evidence with which to support that notion? (I think not.)


You are fuckin' delusional, Gob.


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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:33 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
     http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2007/02/27/omar512.jpg


NEXT !
That 's RIGHT!
I was thinking about him,
but I forgot his name.

Laden was more important,
but he is important too.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:36 am
@dadpad,
dadpad wrote:
Some thought into why this man and his cronies attacked the US
in the first place might also be justified.
Moslem fanaticism and resentment of our support of Israel





David
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:37 am
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:
Where's your proof of that commonplace but superficial assertion? The fact is incidences of such terrorism have been reduced significantly since we took out their sanctuary in Afghanistan; imprisioned those we caprtured there; and started killing them where we could find them. The facts aren't with you.

Correlation something something causation.


Well since the original contrary proposition can't be proven either, and we are faced with the necessity of a pragmatic choice, it appears the results so far suggest we made the right and most effective choice. I suppose liberal closet authoritarians find this line of reasonong difficult.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:40 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:

Quote:
Ali wasn't knocked down


A perfunctory view of the film of that fight would, I'm sure, lead you to conclude that you are talking crap.


You mean like the British assassinations of IRA men 30 years ago?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:48 am
@georgeob1,
McTag wrote:

Quote:
Ali wasn't knocked down


A perfunctory view of the film of that fight would, I'm sure, lead you to conclude that you are talking crap.
georgeob1 wrote:
You mean like the British assassinations of IRA men 30 years ago?
Y do u characterize them as being "assassinations"??
Do u deny that a state of war existed between them ?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:49 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

joefromchicago wrote:

I'm confused. George W. Bush said it wasn't important whether we got Bin Laden or not. When did it become important again?


Apparently when the intelligence services, perhaps using enhanced techniques, got a tip from a prisioner in Guantanamo - which the hapless Obama three years ago promised to close without delay - and the lead was recognized as important in Obama's enhanced assassination program in Afghanistan & Pakistan.


This construction implies that the closing of Gitmo would have led these prisoners to have been let go, or somehow be beyond our control; but that's an incorrect proposition, as Obama was proposing to transfer these detainees to different facilities, not simply release all of them.

It's a lot more likely that one of the captives was successfully turned to our side, not through torture - why **** around with pretty words?? - but through more effective, long-established techniques of psychological coercion.

Cycloptichorn
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:50 am
@snood,
Quote:
I just thought everyone was now going to speculate about what kinds of terrible things might happen, so I thought I'd join in the prognostication of doom.


There's time for that later. Right now, let's stick to the ghoulish lovefest y'all got going here.

And remember that Osama was a close US friend right up until 9-11. Let's also try to remember that the FBI doesn't list binLaden as responsible for 9-11.

What was that Henry Kissinger said about US allies; something like, it's more dangerous to be a US ally than a US enemy.
sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 10:57 am
@JTT,
Close US friend right up until 9/11?? What are you talking about?

Yeah, we loved it when he bombed the World Trade Center in 1993, and the USS Cole bombing in 2000 was a great way to make friends with us too.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 11:00 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
It's a lot more likely that one of the captives was successfully turned to our side, not through torture - why **** around with pretty words?? - but through more effective, long-established techniques of psychological coercion.


You are a skilled master with "pretty words", Cy.

"The US isn't a terrorist nation because we have the power to perform our terrorism in ways that aren't commonly known as terrorism and in fact separate us from the common run of the mill terrorist."

But what about all the terrorist actions performed by the CIA and its proxies, Cy?

"Umm, the US isn't a terrorist nation and I won't discuss it unless and until you agree to agree to that."
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 11:05 am
@sozobe,
Quote:
Osama bin Laden[a] was the leader of al-Qaeda and was wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States embassies, Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. Bin Laden and al-Qaeda is alleged to be responsible for the October 12, 2000, attack on the USS Cole off the coast of Yemen, which killed 17. Although bin Laden later appeared on the first publicly released FBI Most Wanted Terrorists list on October 10, 2001, he was listed there for his alleged role in the 1998 embassy attack, and not for his alleged role in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people, because the most wanted lists name fugitives charged with a crime by a prosecutor or under indictment by a grand jury. Bin Laden was named as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in, for instance, the federal indictment against convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, but has not been formally indicted for his alleged role in the September 11, 2001, attacks. On May 1, 2011, Osama bin Laden was confirmed killed by United States special forces by an announcement from the President of the United States, Barrack Obama in a press conference in the White House.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Ten_Most_Wanted_Fugitives



See,

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/07/former-fbi-translator-bin-laden-worked.html

georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 11:07 am
@Cycloptichorn,
A rather tortured and hypothetical rationalization. However, if it pleases you ...
High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 11:07 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

And remember that Osama was a close US friend right up until 9-11.

Nobody can remember what never happened. Try to educate yourself somewhat on Osama bin Laden's "Declaration of War" of 1996:
Quote:
The following text is a fatwa, or declaration of war, by Osama bin Laden first published in Al Quds Al Arabi, a London-based newspaper, in August, 1996. The fatwa is entitled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 2 May, 2011 11:07 am
@JTT,
That's not support for your assertion that he was a close friend of the US right up until 9/11.
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